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To wonder why an MP is lying about womens bathrooms?

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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 09:33

Lucy Allen has tweeted that the Barbican has mens bathrooms and gender neutral bathrooms, but no womens bathrooms.

Lots of twitter users told her that was wrong.

The Barbican itself told her it's wrong.

But the tweet remains. AIBU to think that if an MP gets something wrong, they should apologise and remove the lie? Or to think that this is deliberate misinformation to further the myth of women being 'erased'?

twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1507076111871713282?s=20&t=D_TGgQBlnKkKZ6NEIjnzsw

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Franca123 · 28/03/2022 10:13

The references to Trump are bizarre. What's Trump got to do with it? Are gender critical people Trump supporters in your head?

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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 10:13

@Ohhhhladz

YABU. There's nothing inaccurate about her tweet and no reason to remove it.

Your post accuses a public figure of lying when there's no evidence that she has. Your fantasies about a former US president, and about lesbians, aren't relevant.

This is misinformation 101.

It doesn't stop being misinformation if you preface it with 'someone told me'.

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raspberrymuffin · 28/03/2022 10:13

Lucy Allen is the Tory MP for Telford. Telford is traditionally Labour, has a Labour council and I'm pretty sure will be a target for Labour in the next general election. She's jumping on the culture wars bandwagon in the hope of hanging on to her seat. Expect some racist dogwhistling too.

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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 10:12

@Clymene

I bet you a tenner that I know way more butch women than you do OP. Stop using their lived experience prop up your push to get men into women's spaces.
How do you propose to determine who wins the tenner?

Perhaps have the humility to recognise you know nothing about me, just as I know nothing about you.

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Ohhhhladz · 28/03/2022 10:12

YABU. There's nothing inaccurate about her tweet and no reason to remove it.

Your post accuses a public figure of lying when there's no evidence that she has. Your fantasies about a former US president, and about lesbians, aren't relevant.

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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 10:11

@Clymene

Oh not the old butch women trope again 🙄🙄🙄🙄

This is what Allen's tweet said. That's the message she got. She didn't say it was true, she just posted what someone told her.

LOL

Like every time Trump said '...lots of people are saying X'.

Misinformation is misinformation, lies are lies.

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Pbjontoast · 28/03/2022 10:11

@Juanmariaramierz

It's the bog
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Franca123 · 28/03/2022 10:11

OP. Why are you campaigning to get men into women's bathrooms? Are you a man? What is your angle here?

Clymene · 28/03/2022 10:08

I bet you a tenner that I know way more butch women than you do OP. Stop using their lived experience prop up your push to get men into women's spaces.

Clymene · 28/03/2022 10:07

Oh not the old butch women trope again 🙄🙄🙄🙄

This is what Allen's tweet said. That's the message she got. She didn't say it was true, she just posted what someone told her.

To wonder why an MP is lying about womens bathrooms?
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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 10:05

@Franca123

Yeah. Gender Criticals policing bathroom use. And back on planet earth.......
So what - you think the various lesbians who have told us about their experiences being challenged in womens bathrooms by people who think they are men or are trans are just lying?
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Juanmariaramierz · 28/03/2022 10:05

It's the bog

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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 10:04

@PierresPotato

I've never seen anyone policing a toilet either.
The women who have been challenged in bathrooms because they looked too butch and someone thought they were trans women or men would disagree with you.
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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 10:03

@Clymene

But they have converted what were the main women's toilets to mixed sex, no? And while there are still women only toilets, they are not very easily accessible.

So it's quite true and you just look a bit of a tit

The Barbican is a massive complex so I think the concept of the 'main' womens bathroom is a bit of a misnomer.

There are a huge number of different bathrooms.

Lucy Allen claims (to have been told that...) there were no womens bathrooms, and that was a lie.

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HoveringDonkeyofKnock · 28/03/2022 10:02

It’s loo or lavatory. Toilet is non u and bathroom is American!
Apparently.

Clymene · 28/03/2022 09:59

But they have converted what were the main women's toilets to mixed sex, no? And while there are still women only toilets, they are not very easily accessible.

So it's quite true and you just look a bit of a tit

To wonder why an MP is lying about womens bathrooms?
PierresPotato · 28/03/2022 09:57

I've never seen anyone policing a toilet either.

Franca123 · 28/03/2022 09:56

Yeah. Gender Criticals policing bathroom use. And back on planet earth.......

PierresPotato · 28/03/2022 09:56

Toilet itself is a euphemism which presumably sounded better than the word it replaced.

Whatalovelydaffodil · 28/03/2022 09:54

@SalsaLove

Bathroom sounds nicer than toilet.
It doesn't make any sense to use the wrong word because it "sounds nicer"!
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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 09:53

@Franca123

Also what is a 'gender specific' loo. Does that mean I'll get kicked out of the ladies if I'm wearing jeans and no make up? I don't want to be forced to use the gender neutral toilets because I'm not comforming to sexist stereotypes of suitable women's dress.
Gender neutral just means that you can use them regardless of your gender.

But of course you do raise an important issue. Far too many women have been challenged using womens bathrooms because they don't look sufficiently like women as far as some users were concerned.

Gender non-conforming lesbians have particular experience of this. And its all kicked off with gender critical types policing bathroom (or toilet...) use.

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PierresPotato · 28/03/2022 09:52

Bathroom is a different thing though in the UK.

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PierresPotato · 28/03/2022 09:51

I'd be barred from a gendered loo too. 🤣
I wonder at these stories of admiring outfits and lipstick or nail varnish in the ladies toilets as its so far from my own experience.

VikingVolva · 28/03/2022 09:50

So if you go to a place, see only a fraction of the facilities, write that the facilities are inadequate, then thus must be treated as true because it's what you saw.

That there is the whole truth - the facilities actually exist and can be shown to exist - doesn't seem to matter.

I'm not sure what cause she thought she was furthering, but she's made herself look narrowed-minded and prejudiced, and with an inability to represent fairly.