Page 25 | To wonder why an MP is lying about womens bathrooms?

TeaKlaxon · 2022-03-28T08:33:32+00:00

Lucy Allen has tweeted that the Barbican has mens bathrooms and gender neutral bathrooms, but no womens bathrooms. Lots of twitter users told her that was wrong. The Barbican itself told her it's wrong. But the tweet remains. AIBU to think that if an MP gets something wrong, they should apologise and remove the lie? Or to think that this is deliberate misinformation to further the myth of women being 'erased'? [[https://twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1507076111871713282?s=20&t=D_TGgQBlnKkKZ6NEIjnzsw]]

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 28/03/2022 11:24

Oops should answer the OP

I don't know too much about the ins and outs of this particular situation but even if this is an outright lie or an honest mistake it should be corrected if wrong

Helleofabore · 28/03/2022 11:24

@ScreamingBeans

LOL at people who claim that men are women if they say they are, complaining about lies and fake news.

You couldn't make it up.

Blossomtoes · 28/03/2022 11:24

I'm saying MPs shouldn't spread misinformation

Meanwhile back here in the real world where the PM blatantly lies all the time …

Clymene · 28/03/2022 11:23

Stop calling them bathrooms

Can you explain why @TeaKlaxon - if there are butch women being challenged in women's toilets that your solution is to make them mixed sex?

Because I'm really struggling to understand the logic.

Artichokeleaves · 28/03/2022 11:20

Which MPs don't?

Honestly. Have we got a list somewhere?

DomesticatedZombie · 28/03/2022 11:20

@ScreamingBeans

LOL at people who claim that men are women if they say they are, complaining about lies and fake news.

You couldn't make it up.

fo shizzle.

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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 11:18

@ScreamingBeans

LOL at people who claim that men are women if they say they are, complaining about lies and fake news.

You couldn't make it up.

So are you comfortable with an MP spreading lies or not?

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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 11:17

@bellinisurge

I have MS. It means I often have urgency issues. I don't use a disabled toilet because I'm not entitled to a blue badge. If the signpost women's toilets for the women's toilet is not next to the signs for the other toilets, I am put at a disadvantage. Thanks for not thinking about it

But sign posts to toilets are not universal. There will always be places in the building where you have to look around or walk a bit to find a sign post to the bathroom you need.

If you happened to be outside the gents/gender neutral toilets and there wasn't a signpost, that might not be fun. But it's no different to being outside the cafe and not seeing a signpost, or being near the kiosk selling programmes and not seeing a signpost.

The point is there will be places in the building where it takes a bit more effort to find out where the toilet you need is. That is just a fact of life that there will never be sign posts within eyeline everywhere.

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RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 28/03/2022 11:16

Depends what you mean by policed. I’ve been told the mens are over that way by women leaving the loos or from someone tapping me on the shoulder while in the queue. So not technically policed but it’s happened and I’m not a butch lesbian but have short hair…

I have never seen this in the ladies loo...I have absolutely no doubt that it has happened...I've just never seen it

Actually now i think of it, it happened to me once a long time agai but a man said it before I actually got in there so I'm not counting it

ScreamingBeans · 28/03/2022 11:16

LOL at people who claim that men are women if they say they are, complaining about lies and fake news.

You couldn't make it up.

frazzledali · 28/03/2022 11:13

There's loads of women's toilets at the Barbican. I go there a lot and I also used to work there - though that was admittedly over a decade ago - but I still find it very hard to believe anyone would be laughed at for asking where the women's toilets are? Staff were very nice there when I worked there and that doesn't seem to have changed...

Also, anyone who is confused as to why you might have to ask where something is in the Barbican very obviously has never been to the labyrinth that is the Barbican.

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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 11:13

@Pluvia

I don't have a gender, OP. Please tell me in less than 500 words what gender is, because I've no idea — unless it really does come down to sexist pink and blue and skirts and trousers nonsense. What loo should all the women I know who don't believe in the gender faith use?

It's sex, OP. Sex. Female XX, male XY. That's how we have always divided loos up and what the Barbican needs to return to pronto. Decent men are mortified at the potential for causing offence to women. Women want to be able to have private space free of men with cameras or men who get a frisson from invading their space.

Not sure what this has to do with the topic of the thread, which is Lucy Allen's false claim (or implication...) that the Barbican doesn't have women's bathrooms.

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ScreamingBeans · 28/03/2022 11:11

I'm not saying it doesn't happen at all that no butch lesbian has ever been challenged ever in the UK

I specifically said in my point D that when they are, all they have to do is speak for anyone challenging them to back down apologetically.

I imagine that with all these men demanding access to women's spaces, butch lesbians will get more harassment than they used to. As usual, it's lesbians who get the sharp end of the stick as a result of transactivism.

Pluvia · 28/03/2022 11:07

I don't have a gender, OP. Please tell me in less than 500 words what gender is, because I've no idea — unless it really does come down to sexist pink and blue and skirts and trousers nonsense. What loo should all the women I know who don't believe in the gender faith use?

It's sex, OP. Sex. Female XX, male XY. That's how we have always divided loos up and what the Barbican needs to return to pronto. Decent men are mortified at the potential for causing offence to women. Women want to be able to have private space free of men with cameras or men who get a frisson from invading their space.

bellinisurge · 28/03/2022 11:05

I have MS. It means I often have urgency issues. I don't use a disabled toilet because I'm not entitled to a blue badge. If the signpost women's toilets for the women's toilet is not next to the signs for the other toilets, I am put at a disadvantage. Thanks for not thinking about it

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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 11:02

@bellinisurge

There's a scene in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy about a complaints department being in a basement where the stairs and lights are gone and the section is in a locked cabinet with a sign saying "Beware of the leopard" on it. A woman's toilet that is as easy to find as that is not a public women's toilet.

Have you been to the Barbican?

There is no difficulty in finding women's bathrooms. I do not deny that there can be long queues at show time. Though you can get around that by just seeking out another one further away from the auditorium. You know why? Because there are lots of toilets in the Barbican.

They are not hidden in some basement with no lights FFS.

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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 11:00

@bellinisurge

A gender specific bathroom isn't a single sex space. Anyone who thinks they are that gender can rock up in that space. With their dick.

Separate issue though.

If someone objects to trans inclusive policies that allow people use toilets that align with their gender identity, that's one thing.

But Lucy Allen didn't say there are no 'single sex' bathrooms.

She furthered a claim that there are no women's bathrooms, but there are men's bathrooms (and gender neutral bathrooms). That claim is a lie.

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bellinisurge · 28/03/2022 11:00

There's a scene in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy about a complaints department being in a basement where the stairs and lights are gone and the section is in a locked cabinet with a sign saying "Beware of the leopard" on it. A woman's toilet that is as easy to find as that is not a public women's toilet.

Nicholethejewellery · 28/03/2022 11:00

@trollopolis

So there are no women’s toilets

Yes there are - I've seen and used them

Why are people so desperate to believe the lie that there are none?

Because the truth doesn't fit the agenda.

Helleofabore · 28/03/2022 10:59

So the tweet said

I received this message today: “I was at the Barbican yesterday where there were male toilets, disabled toilets, and gender neutral toilets. I asked where were the female toilets as I am not gender neutral I am a woman and they laughed in my face. Women are being erased.”

It is entirely possible that the person asked and was told the wrong information by staff. Doesn't make the Barbican's statement true or not true, it is the information given that was key.

It is also entirely possible that the staff member giving the information didn't know, or had an agenda of their own for not pointing the person asking to the single sex toilets.

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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 10:58

@DomesticatedZombie

YABU OP.

Why?

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bellinisurge · 28/03/2022 10:56

A gender specific bathroom isn't a single sex space. Anyone who thinks they are that gender can rock up in that space. With their dick.

DomesticatedZombie · 28/03/2022 10:55

YABU OP.

Notjustanymum · 28/03/2022 10:55

You could have stopped after the first 7 words in your AIBU, OP - it’s because she’s an MP😜