To wonder why an MP is lying about womens bathrooms?

What makes you think that 51% of the population have to go to a bit more effort.

Well, in toilets generally, there are less female ones so it is par for the course.

I've never been anywhere where they were queuing out the door of the mens' whilst the ladies' was free flowing so to speak. Ever.

So are you comfortable with an MP spreading lies or not?
@TeaKlaxon David Lammy said that men can grow a cerxix, did you make a thread about that?

The Barbican is so big, I can imagine them putting one female only toilet in, hidden away in the depths of the building, needing a map and compass to find it just so that they can sy 'we do have female toilets'...

But what are the facts? How many toilets and what are their 'titles'? There is no point actually banging on about liars/non liars etc until the actual situation is understood.

Not sure what this has to do with the topic of the thread, which is Lucy Allen's false claim (or implication...) that the Barbican doesn't have women's bathrooms

Dodging my questions? Now there's a surprise...

As several women have pointed out, there don't seem to be any specifically labelled Women's loos (not bathrooms) at the Barbican. Or if they are they are so hidden away that even the staff there aren't sure where they are.

Again, I will just keep reposting the actual tweet:

I received this message today: “I was at the Barbican yesterday where there were male toilets, disabled toilets, and gender neutral toilets. I asked where were the female toilets as I am not gender neutral I am a woman and they laughed in my face. Women are being erased.”

So, to repeat, a woman asked where the female toilets were and was laughed at!

It seems the complainer was laughed at and may have not been told where the supposedly many, but not necessarily easy or quick to find for some people, female toilets were.

And we have OP calling people liars and insisting the MP is lying.

I am not sure how a person complaining to their MP is helped in this instance by a blanket statement as to how many toilets of what kind the Barbican has.

The right thing to actually have done as the Barbican would be (and I assume they must have as they are supposed to be a professional lot) to say, we are sorry to hear that the woman visiting our venue was laughed at and not helped by our staff. We will investigate this situation and get back to her.

"The point is there will be places in the building where it takes a bit more effort to find out where the toilet you need is. That is just a fact of life that there will never be sign posts within eyeline everywhere."

Hence my reference to Hitchhiker's and Beware of the Leopard.

I expect there to be a sign for disabled toilets, men's toilets and women's toilets in sight of each other. As they are in most places. Particularly large entertainment venues. Why isn't it "women's and gender neutral "?
Why should 51% of the population have to go to "a bit more effort" to find a sex specific toilet. It took women so long to get sex specific public toilets in the first place. Why should it be a Taskmaster challenge to find one now.

It’s not like shared space where a penis wielder can be, to alarm women.
I have been disconcerted by a male body usingba female lavatory in A Library .

The “Mens” was next door.
This person didn’t even shut the cubicle door.

There was mens and womens last year when I went plus a block of gender neutral ones elsewhere in the complex.

Disabled toilets tend to be for use one a time - there's not normally a communal area.

if I saw gents and gender neutral bathrooms in a venue as large as the Barbican, I would just assume the women's bathroom is somewhere else.

@TeaKlaxon you'd be able to find the women's quite easily, because the queue for the remaining female-only facilities will be zig-zagging around the building. Such is an inevitable consequence of reducing the female facilities available in a type of venue already known for long queues for the women's toilets.

The men (who hardly needed to queue in the first place) have the choice of using the men's, the "gender-neutral with urinals" (so also the men's), and the "gender-neutral with cubicles" (which few women feel comfortable using).

The women meanwhile will mostly feel uncomfortable using toilets shared with men and will certainly be too uncomfortable to use the ones with urinals. So most of the women will be left queuing for the remaining single-sex toilets.

I don't have a bloody gender. Which bogs should I use? And stop calling them bloody bathrooms ffs.

I think she is calling liars liars not women liars

If you say so. I wouldn't assume this person's gender, either.

And from the sounds of this thread, plenty 'gender critical' people have no problem with lies

And yet, the tweet was about a woman who asked for the directions to the female single sex toilet and was laughed out. Not actually given the information.

And you are the one talking about spreading misinformation but not addressing the actual subject of the tweet.

So how many female toilets are there in the Barbican ? Are they hidden away or readily accessible? Are they signposted or not?

I asked where were the female toilets as I am not gender neutral

That’s a bit pathetic. What are disabled people supposed to do, disabled toilets are usually gender neutral.

I don’t hear disabled people saying excuse me Jan but I’m a woman not a gender neutral.

Is calling women liars on the internet, your thing, OP? Each to their own.

And from the sounds of this thread, plenty 'gender critical' people have no problem with lies.

You mean we live in the real world where lying by the government is so commonplace we don’t believe them when they say the sky is blue?

Don't worry, TeaKlaxon is perfectly familiar with us ladies of the sex and gender board.

You are very clearly not being unreasonable @TeaKlaxon, the tweet is misinformation. I live very near the Barbican and visit frequently, and the tweet is just wrong. An MP hiding behind the excuse of "I'm just passing on what I've been told" is almost worse than the original lie. Once we start tolerating that there's no end to it, and I'd urge those defending it to think where that leads.

(You'll spend all day playing whack-a-mole with the ladies from the sex-and-gender board, the tweet fits the erasure-of-women trope, and they won't relinquish it easily )

The point is there will be places in the building where it takes a bit more effort to find out where the toilet you need is. That is just a fact of life that there will never be sign posts within eyeline everywhere.

Hence the person complaining to their MP asked and was laughed at.

And obviously not told where the single sex toilets they asked for was.

That was the tweet, wasn't it?