To wonder why an MP is lying about womens bathrooms?

I don't listen to handmaidens anymore. If you are concerned about me not listening to some women. Or people who bullshit about lesbians being sexual predators.

If butch lesbians are being challenged in women's toilets these days it is because women are no longer trusting anyone who presents as male in a public place because of the actions of predatory males. And going into a women's toilet to experience "euphoria " is the action of a predatory male.

I am very sorry if butch lesbians are experiencing an increase in this. As always, lesbians are often the ones who suffer from TRA bullshit.

Except to make the point that she is 'gender critical' and disagrees with the concept of gender neutral toilets

I hope that you warmed up before attempting that reach. At no point has anyone opposed third spaces. The woman simply asked where the women's toilets were because she couldn't use the GN ones. No feminist on here opposes third spaces, so long as it doesn't result in a reduction in female facilities.

What about none lesbian butch women ? Isn't it the lesbianism irrelevant ?

@TeaKlaxon Who is she? Is she one of the butch lesbians you know?

I still don’t really get this.

So basically the problem is that someone allegedly is lying in a tweet (About being laughed at and not directed properly)?

But why can’t the women’s toilets be close to the other toilets? Flooding issues are common in menopausal women (urgent need of toilets) and my 12-year old daughter sometimes has flooding issues too. She would be even more mortified to share a toilet with men. Are women’s toilets available easily or not?

Why is the issues that some random person may or may not be lying instead of making sure that there are sufficient toilets for everyone? Isn’t that what that MP (who I never heard of) was trying to do?

This thread is bonkers. People lie on Twitter the whole time.

I want to point out again the tweet we are talking about

I received this message today: “I was at the Barbican yesterday where there were male toilets, disabled toilets, and gender neutral toilets. I asked where were the female toilets as I am not gender neutral I am a woman and they laughed in my face. Women are being erased.”

What part of the Barbicans statement you are referring to with

The Barbican itself told her it's wrong. is dealing with the person hired to assist customers not laughing at the woman who asked the question?

Because I just saw something about how many toilets they have and that is not the issue of that tweet.

But I may have missed it so am happy to be corrected if you post a link.

I've just googled Eloise Stonborough and I don't believe for a second she gets challenged as often as she claims. I have a basis for that assumption - her appearance. What's your basis for assuming this anonymous woman is a liar?

So it's not as simple as saying "don't listen to those women" is it? The point is if any women say no then it's no and the privileged few who don't think they'll be affected don't get to speak on behalf of the rest of us, our voice will be heard.

So no, I don't believe any of what is claimed.

You seem to not believe anything that actual, normal, every day people are saying but believing everything one poster-woman says because it fits your agenda. It's very strange.

The person who Lucy Allen is claiming to have heard from made a point of expressing their displeasure with gender neutral bathrooms, claims to have been laughed at (no, I don't believe that) and claims that someone wouldn't tell her where they were (no, I don't believe that either).

Oh... I see.

Believe people when they say things.... except those people that OP feels shouldn't be believed.

Again, your deep prejudice is very clear here OP.

This is the tweet that you have spun your own interpretation on and is not to be believed. Because you know best and you know the person who complained and know what motivated them.

I received this message today: “I was at the Barbican yesterday where there were male toilets, disabled toilets, and gender neutral toilets. I asked where were the female toilets as I am not gender neutral I am a woman and they laughed in my face. Women are being erased.”

Right. The message is believe everyone, but don't believe that woman. Because .... reasons.

The person who Lucy Allen is claiming to have heard from made a point of expressing their displeasure with gender neutral bathrooms, claims to have been laughed at (no, I don't believe that) and claims that someone wouldn't tell her where they were (no, I don't believe that either).

So, your issue is with some unknown person whose account you don't believe. How long have you spent being angry at this unknown person, OP?

And also claims to have been unable to identity from the ample signage in the Barbican where any of the five women's bathrooms were, and left thinking they didn't exist

'ample' - several posters have already explained to you why they might have needed extra help finding the specific toilet necessary to them. You're just mocking a woman for asking for a woman's toilet, let's be honest. And impugning her and implying she is lying. We've already established your initial accusation of the MP as 'lying' is completely inaccurate.

How many other women do you wish to accuse of lying?

*worse, not orse.

Anyone who works in a venue who is approached by someone looking for a toilet would be expected to just give out the information. No laughing, mocking or questioning of them is necessary.

DomesticatedZombie

The swivelling is rather remarkable isn't it?

@TeaKlaxon I’ve covered that in my previous post.

I don’t get this OP.

I have massive flooding issues due to menopause and sometimes need the toilet urgently. I sometimes need to wash my hands (blood everywhere) and my knickers. I would not want to do that in a general neutral toilet as I would be mortified if a man was next to me.

I would have asked for the women’s if I saw something that looked like the picture posted here. If someone from the staff then laughed at me, I would be quite upset.

Why would this make me GC whatever that is and why would I not be able to complain to whomever I wanted, including my MP?

I really don’t understand this

I'm sure that there are plenty of women who are happy sharing women only spaces with people with dicks. Sadly, I'm sure there are violent people who happen to be lesbians who threaten women.

I also know that 98% of sex offenders are men. I also know that sex offending can escalate from indecent exposure - which means showing your dick to women who don't ask to see it.

Those are the stats that I take into account when making a personal risk assessment about using a public toilet.

And to the people saying you can easily access women's loos at the Barbican, maybe you mostly go there in the evening for the theatre (more of the building is always accessible then) There are women's loos on that level, but they're frequently roped off during the day, as are the 1st floor loos. So you can't access them at all (that's why I didn't know about the "gender neutral " loos, they've been inaccessible the last 4 or 5 times I've been to the Barbican library) I haven't been there for about a month, but the loos on the art gallery level (4th?) were still OK. There are also (a couple ) of women's loos that you access through the Barbican Kitchen on the ground floor. At least there WERE Don't know about the Barbican cinemas on Beech Street, I never go there (and never will if this is the way they treat their female customers)

But you'd have us dismiss anyone as an 'idiot' for asking questions. Lovely.

Even better, it is all those you listed zombie who WOULD ask questions... and there seems to be posters who then mock a woman actually asking for help, so anyone reading this thread could take away that if they are confused for any reason, including in a confused state due to an illness, they should not ask because obviously they should be mocked.