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To wonder why an MP is lying about womens bathrooms?

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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 09:33

Lucy Allen has tweeted that the Barbican has mens bathrooms and gender neutral bathrooms, but no womens bathrooms.

Lots of twitter users told her that was wrong.

The Barbican itself told her it's wrong.

But the tweet remains. AIBU to think that if an MP gets something wrong, they should apologise and remove the lie? Or to think that this is deliberate misinformation to further the myth of women being 'erased'?

twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1507076111871713282?s=20&t=D_TGgQBlnKkKZ6NEIjnzsw

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TeaKlaxon · 28/03/2022 16:40

@TooBigForMyBoots

The GB News story about the bar in Belfast is utter bollocks. The Ladies Toilets in that bar are on the ground floor about 5 steps to the right of the sign directing the Mens and Gender Neutral toilets on the 1st floor.
Exactly.

All the feigned 'Oh but she never actually said there were no women's bathroom' is totally disingenuous on here.

That was the clear implication - by saying there were mens bathrooms and gender neutral bathrooms, the reader is clearly expected to deduce that there were no women's bathrooms.

It's bollocks in respect of the Barbican. It's bollocks in respect of the bar in Belfast.

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ddl1 · 28/03/2022 16:35

This would hardly be the first time that this MP has been economical with the truth. She altered a message sent to her on social media to imply that she'd been sent a death threat. She retweeted a post from a far right Twitter account stating falsely that Starmer had obstructed the prosecution of grooming gangs. She was reprimanded for the latter by her own party.

DomesticatedZombie · 28/03/2022 16:28

Technically in North American English, a bathroom is supposed to have at least a sink in addition to a toilet, but not necessarily a bath, shower, or bidet. I suppose one could take a sponge bath ...

For god's sake don't go giving anyone any ideas.

DomesticatedZombie · 28/03/2022 16:27

Anyone who supports the Johnson government has to have either their competence or their honesty brought into doubt. Often both. And that tweet fits absolutely into the playbook of that dishonest sector of politics

'I don't like her and that proves she's a liar'

LittleMyTopKnot · 28/03/2022 16:23

Clymene, please update us on the number of male and female toilets (and if they are closed at daytime). I would very much like to know this now.

I also really wish people (usually men) wouldn’t call Women’s concerns “fake hysteria”, it is always used about women and so sexist.

As for the lesbians, what do they have to do with it? Why drag sexual orientations into this? I honestly couldn’t care less what sexual orientation a woman in the cubicle next door has, this is getting bizarre now. Are people suggesting that lesbians don’t menstruate? Or that they look like men? This sounds like old school homophobia to be honest Sad.

Helleofabore · 28/03/2022 16:22

So, summing up - you are saying the MP is lying because she quotes a woman, whom you also say is lying. Based on nothing at all, as far as I can see.

This is the original tweet that OP has interpreted to suit their own political agenda:

I received this message today: “I was at the Barbican yesterday where there were male toilets, disabled toilets, and gender neutral toilets. I asked where were the female toilets as I am not gender neutral I am a woman and they laughed in my face. Women are being erased.”

Ohhhhladz · 28/03/2022 16:15

334BU: Do the male toilets ,which are now mixed sex, have urinals? If they do then they can't be for women as well. The mixed sex lavatories on the autoroutes in France often have urinals. (Of course, no one uses them if there's any other option because they are vile.)

SamphiretheStickerist: Invented by and named after men... The John, The Jakes, The Crapper etc etc. Don't forget The Head! Grin

Technically in North American English, a bathroom is supposed to have at least a sink in addition to a toilet, but not necessarily a bath, shower, or bidet. I suppose one could take a sponge bath ...

DomesticatedZombie · 28/03/2022 16:11

So the fact that lesbians are more likely to be impacted by their fake hysteria is absolutely relevant.

'Fake hysteria', eh? Interesting word choice.

So, summing up - you are saying the MP is lying because she quotes a woman, whom you also say is lying. Based on nothing at all, as far as I can see.

Your assertions are just as likely to be bullshit false as those of any other random anonymous internet poster.

Clymene · 28/03/2022 16:11

@DdraigGoch

Could whoever was offering to visit the Barbican next week please count up just how many women's, men's, and gender neutral toilets there are in the building? I'm interested to know if there is an equal balance of male/female, or whether the Barbican have merely rebadged the women's toilets while leaving the number of men's toilets intact.
I will do exactly that! I will go into the women's toilets and count how many cubicles there are too. I might poke my head into the gender neutral ones and count there too so I can see how much female provision has been repurposed.
SamphiretheStickerist · 28/03/2022 16:06

Then again, loos are a very male thing, aren't they.

Invented by and named after men... The John, The Jakes, The Crapper etc etc. It's been that way since Elizabethan times...

334bu · 28/03/2022 16:06

Do the male toilets ,which are now mixed sex, have urinals? If they do then they can't be for women as well.

LakieLady · 28/03/2022 16:03

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

Why do they have bathrooms at the Barbican? Wouldn't toilets be enough?
Grin

I hate that Americanism. A bathroom is very different from a toilet!

SamphiretheStickerist · 28/03/2022 16:03

And even a stopped clock tells the correct time twice a day!

Can we just agree not to trot out any more tired tropes, cliches and ad homs ??

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 28/03/2022 16:02

OP, you were the usher, weren't you.

Next time a customer asks where the women's toilets are, politely direct her to the nearest one instead of laughing derisively, and she'll feel no need to contact her MP.

MurielSpriggs · 28/03/2022 16:01

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SamphiretheStickerist · 28/03/2022 16:01

@LampLighter414

She is a Tory all she does is lie

Disinformation left right and centre

Like many of the posters on here to be fair

Oh, get away with you!
Helleofabore · 28/03/2022 15:55

She is a Tory all she does is lie

Disinformation left right and centre

Like many of the posters on here to be fair

And more adhominen attacks without addressing anything about the tweet.

MurielSpriggs · 28/03/2022 15:53

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TooBigForMyBoots · 28/03/2022 15:53

The GB News story about the bar in Belfast is utter bollocks. The Ladies Toilets in that bar are on the ground floor about 5 steps to the right of the sign directing the Mens and Gender Neutral toilets on the 1st floor.

girlmom21 · 28/03/2022 15:52

@SamphiretheStickerist

I might ask my butch lesbian SIL to do that for us. Smile
She'll be fine as long as she only actually uses the gender neutral ones... Grin
LampLighter414 · 28/03/2022 15:49

She is a Tory all she does is lie

Disinformation left right and centre

Like many of the posters on here to be fair

FacebookPhotos · 28/03/2022 15:45

It remains blatant misinformation.

Which bit is misinformation? The bit where a constituent asked for female toilets? The bit where the constituent was laughed at for asking? Or the bit where the constituent says "women" are being erased when the Barbican is quite literally erasing (some of the) women's toilets and replacing them with gender neutral ones?

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 28/03/2022 15:45

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

How many posters have said they have been in the Barbican and been unable to find the women's bathrooms?

100% because there aren't any public bathrooms at all.

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SamphiretheStickerist · 28/03/2022 15:44

I might ask my butch lesbian SIL to do that for us. Smile

DdraigGoch · 28/03/2022 15:42

Could whoever was offering to visit the Barbican next week please count up just how many women's, men's, and gender neutral toilets there are in the building? I'm interested to know if there is an equal balance of male/female, or whether the Barbican have merely rebadged the women's toilets while leaving the number of men's toilets intact.