To wonder why an MP is lying about womens bathrooms?

@teaklaxon
Are you implying i'm lying too? When I went there ( I think it was half term) a woman came out of the gender neutral toilets and pointed me to a certain way and when I looked there was still a men's sign, so maybe it was in process of being converted? But there was clearly a male sign above the door.

Ah okay, thanks! Interesting that the women and men sorted themselves out into men's and women's toilets isn't it? I don't think most men want to share toilets with women either.

I'm wondering why you're lying about her lying.
Funny how mumsnet is apparently the most radically transphobic online space yet you're all here all the time posting disingenuous nonsense.

Who has said both women's and men's toilets have been repurposed on that floor @TeaKlaxon ?

I think I missed that post.

YABU to wonder why an MP is lying about anything.

They all do it. She's just slightly less adept than others at covering it up again.

Indeed.

Oh wait - several people, including yourself, have told us which toilets have become gender neutral. So I know perfectly well which toilets you are referring to

Me? I didn't. I have repeatedly said I don't know about all of them as I didn't walk the whole place over. I've been once. And nobody has provided a map... so maybe back off a little bit and hear the message instead of shooting the multiple messengers.

You seem incredibly keen on men and women sharing toilets. Maybe get a hobby.

I've no problem in saying I think spaces should be inclusive of trans people and their identities

??? do they walk in tandem!??

That Graham dude has been speaking out for womens rights for a while now.

He has lost his wife to the stress of the TRA pushback.

Lost his main source of income due to the TRA pushback

And just this week a musical based on his TV series Father Ted has been shelved - because of TRA pushback

And we are supposed to believe that TRAs have no influence over anything, are being ignored, having their existence denied! Pshaw!

TeaKlaxon

So where was this "gender neutral" toilet with a urinal in situ? So I can make sure I don't go there.

Then they should not be using gender neutral toilets.

Does the Barbican have any men's only toilets left? Are you implying that men using the toilets with the changed signage are consenting to women seeing them use the toilet?
If so, you're nearly on the way to realising why women don't want mixed-sex toilets. We don't want people claiming we consented to see penises just because we needed the toilet. It's coercion of women.

Also, I'm not sure why you think I should stay out of a urinal since I never went into a urinal. That would be pretty unpleasant. I said I had once or twice used a gender neutral bathroom with a urinal.

There was a bath in there too?

@TeaKlaxon
I was in the Barbican a few weeks ago and asked the exact same question to an usher sitting nearby and got a very confused/ vague response. A woman then came out of the gender neutral toilets and said that the women's were the other way. When I looked, the toilets were men's. I used the gender neutral toilets but I was outraged to see that the women's toilets have been taken over and give women less choice.

Why are women the first to have to give up spaces? Why not make the men's the gender neutral toilets. I left wondering if there were any women's toilets, so I won't be the only one. And women have every right to speak up about this discrimination and erasure.

I think the best way forward is for Clymene to come back and update us on the number and locations on women’s toilets at the Barbican. I think this is an important issue which should be settled.

I also think we should try to take deep breaths when we think someone on Twitter may be lying. It happens a lot sadly.

Hysterical seems to be a sexist word (according to Domesticated), so we shouldn’t use that.

As for that Graham dude (sounds unpleasant) and sexual orientations, what do they have to do with toilets?

With regards to urinals in toilets aimed for use of women, that is completely bonkers. The number of women wanting to use a toilet with a urinal (however to the side) must be tiny. And it seems like I would have to wash bloody hands (periods, remember) next to men who are washing their hands after having a piss. No thank you. The world has gone insane.

Jesus wept!

Well, smite with the MN wally stick!

"The toilets I am talking about...." I went alone. You were not with me. How do you know this? Are you spying on me? From your personal Tardis?

My experience, as a first timer at the Barbican, was made a tad more 'exciting' than it needed to be when I needed a wee. As a woman of a certain age, with slightly weak pelvic floor and half a bottle of pop inside her, I was not amused when, having seen toilet signs, I realised my error and had to look again!

It isn't difficult to understand that the repurposing casues real isues and that organisations really do need to think again about provision and stop reducing the number of loos women can use without having to have an internal debate about the relative dangers of a weak bladder and a strong man.

To be fair most women won't go in a gender neutral men's toilet for obvious reasons. They probably weren't expect any women to actually to up and use them.

Still hopefully you have made a few men uncomfortable and highlighted an issue for them.

So thank you for your community service.

Is this now just what Gender Critical people do? Make claims that are blatantly untrue? And if that is the case, doesn't that prove that their case against trans people is pretty hollow

And there we have it. Politicians lie, water is wet.

But this isn't to do with politicians is it? This is about sticking it to gender critical women, calling them liars and transphobes, so males and their dicks can destroy all single sex spaces. If you want to betray your sex (I'm assuming when you say you're a woman you mean female here) that's your lookout. No need to dress it up as concern about a politician - if you don't want single sex spaces to exist anymore, just say that.

Well I shall carry out my thorough inspection of both the women's and gender neutral facilities next week. I'd be interested to see if any of the GN ones contain urinals because it's my experience that it's only cubicles which are repurposed ie women's toilets.

As being obsessed with what is in some people's pants is what we're often accused of, I'd imagine urinals, which require a penis, are not top of the GN agenda seeing as we're not supposed to know which are female and which are male.