Male violence at the Oscars

Smith said that DW told him something like “when you’re at the top of your game the devil can get in” - I took that as him warning WS his ego was out of control and he was losing the plot.
Yet everyone keeps saying DW was “consoling him”? I can’t work out what I’m missing? I think DW did a good thing as an older more powerful man, basically telling him he was out of control and to get a grip.

CR choose to make a comment on a Black womans hair knowing she had a medical condition,

How do you know he knew? Genuine question as I have read repeatedly and heard on podcasts today that he says he didn't know.

Take the speech in the film A few good men, everybody understands the wall exists the problem was not the death but rather that the death was one of "our" tribe who could not even carry his shield. And just in case we missed the point the guy with the shield explains it in very simple terms

The O's are celebrating the abilty to pretend, to tell the stories. Actors as moral or cultural icons in international warfare, Sorry but physical violence in war means WS "won".

CR choose to make a comment on a Black womans hair knowing she had a medical condition, the production team knew that it would be seen as racist for a white man to do that. ( I dont believe that any O's host is not contractually bound to stick to the prepared script.)

He made a very personalised comment inviting everybody to laugh at her. It was his choice to do that.

Looking at the clip he expected WS to make a verbal reply, not slap him. How many women would stand still, with their hands behind their back like that?

He makes a comment about Javier Bardem and "his wife". "If she looses he cant win, he is praying that WS win's" It's all about JB, the nameless wife is not going to win. She ("whoever she is"), misses "her que" and that "looking at a total wanker" face is visable.
He talks about WS winning and then makes the giJane remark. Invites the audience to laugh, laughed his own joke.
She has that "looking at a total wanker" look on her face knowing the cameras are on her.
He then said something
"Its ??? ; that was a nice one" laughter ends
"I am about.." ends with "ooh oh"
[ presumably as WS stands up? makes no comment as WS walks up]
Gets hit
He's then in the show must go on mode taking to the audience.
The "I'm going to (stop talking about her)" was imo talking to WS directly.

The slap was an open invitation to fight, but CR cant get into a brawl on live TV and I bet that the producer is screaming in his ear to get on script, keep on schedule. WS sits down beside JW and shouts at him. Did it occur to CR to ignore WS and say JS sorry that was a mean spirited comment?
No? Was that because CR is focused on addressing the person who is the physical threat in front of him?

CR decided to be a wanker not realising he was in a social situation which could result in violence. Look at WS's face walking off stage he achieved his goal.

As for JS's agency, she knows she cant walk up on stage and smack him even if she wanted to (foreign battlefield). So lets sat JS had had discussion on how she just knew CR was going to make a snide remark about her (diplomatic relations and treaty negotiations). They both agreed an action plan she said "i told you so, now pop up and be a good soldier...." not likely but with this senerio she gets the agency, no blame, and the protection of WS being the star while quietly directing his actions. People know that being assholes can result in physical pain without her having to carry a baseball bat (nuclear weapon). So the international warfare comparison is a little bit of oversell.

But someone will twist the events and find a way to make it all her fault.
Will CR be the bigger man and make a public apology to her?

What are you on about?
Biden has nothing to do with the Oscars, will smith, chris rock or the smacking that happened.

Why are you bringing Biden and his Putin comments into a chat about showbusiness idiots behaving like violent thugs?

Because I see a common thread in the narrative glorifying male violence, 'honour' and 'fighting for our family values' etc. It's a very dangerous trope. The thread is about male violence; I'm commenting more generally on how violence is being glorified in the US right now.

Not sure how a display of awful male violence is going to make more people watch the Oscars

It looks staged to me.imo it was staged because fewer people watch the Oscars.

It's an awful, and shocking, display of male violence.

Will Smith is an icon. Letting everyone know that it's okay to smack somebody if you disagree with what they're saying.

Awful behaviour.

Of course it wasn't about his wife's honour, since he was initially laughing at the joke. More like about his ego and a display of toxic masculinity.

How infantilising and humiliating for his wife, she's an adult who is capable of defending herself; I wonder what he's like in private if he's confident enough to assault people in front of cameras.

Why would he behave differently in private? Has she seen him in private? Or is she making wild accusations for no apparent reason?

It's fair to assume that people typically display better impulse control and are more aware of how their behaviour might be perceived in front of others than they would be in the privacy of their own homes. Particularly when the 'others' are industry professionals at a high profile work event. Particularly when 'high profile' means being broadcast to a global audience.

In some ways, you could read it as Rock saying Jada looks great.

In no way could you read it like that. Especially when you take tone and tenor into account.

She is talking about what he does in private if he behaves like this in public.

Why would he behave differently in private? Has she seen him in private? Or is she making wild accusations for no apparent reason?

I watched it live and couldn't believe what I was seeing. It was awful. I felt sick that someone could do something like that and then nothing was done about it. They were both wrong in that Chris Rock shouldn't have made such a joke and Will Smith shouldn't have reacted in such a manner. However, jokes were made in the same vein throughout the ceremony (and others ) and no-one else reacted in that manner ( or have done at other ceremonies). I was initially inclined to think it was staged.

@Torunette do you have alopecia?

I had it badly a few years ago, and had another less serious bout last year. I mentioned it on another thread; in my case, it's connected to acute stress.

I get a rarer form of it: all my eyelashes fall out, which has a knock-on effect for my eye health (and contact lenses), and also gives me those weird protein deposits on my lash line which look like styes but aren't and you can't get rid of, and I get big patches in my eyebrows. I lose hair on my head too, but don't get obvious bald patches.

I looked like an alien for quite a long time. You look kinda weird when you have no eyelashes and half your eyebrows are missing, particularly when you are fairly dark-haired.

I made jokes about it myself when I mentioned it to friends and colleagues because I didn't want it to be an elephant in the room and I didn't want those pity whispers. I owned it, and controlled the narrative about it, and it made me feel a lot better about what was a body shock reaction to a series of hardcore events in my life.

As I said on the other thread, I reckon the alopecia, in my case, was better outcome than what could have otherwise been an enormous psychological fracturing. I don't know if I'd have come back from that.

It's male violence being condoned, excused and celebrated internationally. It's young people seeing adults lining up to say rage and violence is okay if you can find a justification, and then be given an award and a standing ovation.

Rocks made an inappropriate joke about someone with alopecia. It's not like she actively chose that hairstyle (though I think she looks fab!). He was wrong. Apparently there had been bad blood between Smith and Rocks prior to this as Rocks had made previous jokes about Jaida. What Rocks said was apparently not pre- vetted either so you wonder why he said it.

Smith should have behaved better. I would be utterly embarrassed my my dh did similar in my 'honour'. I'm sure Jaida could've responded later herself in a more dignified way- should she had wanted to.

Apparently the Oscar's are in crisis talks about removing Smith's award.

Obviously a controversial opinion here but I'm rather with @IvyTwines on this one.

Two close family members have suffered form alopecia and found it totally mortifying. Imagine then getting dressed up and going to event to be publicly ridiculed about a health condition. I agree violence isn't the answer, but honestly if someone had publicly humiliated one of my family like that I'd have a struggled to limit my 'in the heat of the moment' response to a single open handed slap.

Yes it could have/ should have been handled better, but it feels more like standing up to a bully than assault IMO.

The whole thing is weird. Very weird. The joke is nowhere near Comedy Central roast levels at all. In some ways, you could read it as Rock saying Jada looks great. I didn't read it as malevolent at all.

I thought the same.

Why are you bringing Biden and his Putin comments into a chat about showbusiness idiots behaving like violent thugs?

The whole thing is weird. Very weird. The joke is nowhere near Comedy Central roast levels at all. In some ways, you could read it as Rock saying Jada looks great. I didn't read it as malevolent at all

@Torunette do you have alopecia?

It stinks, and I've just had enough of it. How the heck are you supposed to teach kids that hitting is wrong with stuff like this hitting the headlines?

Maybe Biden could dial down the fucking playground insults to avoid escalating world situation that would also help. It won't affect Americans, but he is risking people's lives with his stupid fucking blurting heroics.

'It struck me that Smith was maybe under the influence of something. His manner is just so odd -- almost like a kid trying to act like a tough guy, and getting it really wrong. And the time between him laughing and then making the decision to go on the stage is a few seconds at most. There's more time between the hit and him speaking afterwards.'

I think Smith looks unwell. Substances possibly.