Male violence at the Oscars

Thanks MNHQ👍

@LondonWolf I am not that poster but as a non-white person who has been on the receiving end of racism, your faux innocence and gaslighting are fooling nobody.

[quote Porcupineintherough]@LondonWolf on a thread about an alteration between 2 black men? Where do you think it went sweetie?[/quote]
Your mind went there didn't it? Why would it if you weren't making that correlation yourself? Mine didn't go there till I saw your post. Why are you calling me "sweetie" when you're clearly furious? 😁. Don't give yourself away like that.

@LondonWolf on a thread about an alteration between 2 black men? Where do you think it went sweetie?

Gorillas are very peaceful animals. It's a bit concerning that you went for that reference, though...

In what way? Where did your mind go?

@CarlRogersCat
Personally I'd be horrified if my husband punched someone if they insulted me in the same way he'd be horrified if I punched someone for insulting him. We do not use violence - we are not fucking gorillas.

Gorillas are very peaceful animals. It's a bit concerning that you went for that reference, though...

Ivy Twines said ..."I'm fine with a man getting up and slapping another man who has just mocked the physical appearance of the woman he loves, who has hair loss, in front of an audience of millions of people, yes."

If Melania took offence at something Rock said and Trump got up and slapped him would that be ok?

"Jada is an example of the possible repercussions of airing your private life to the public"

I suspect there is a very good reason why Jada decided to do that with her Red Table Talk show.

I suspect she decided that airing her private life and all the dirty laundry herself, under her own control, framing and creating her own narrative about it, was the only way to prevent another entity from using that information to blackmail and control her.

If the circumstances are as some stories say, it is a damn smart move on Jada's part.

NitroNine

Rufus
I think everyone should watchGood Hair- it might stop schools & workplaces from saying black girls & women have untidy/messy/unsuitable/unprofessional hair & all the resultant damage. Or at least help a little.

I dont think that people understand how deeply ingrained that bias is in almost all white cultures.
Would they realise that the cultrual significance of putting womens hair up and hem down remains.

@BeforeGodAndAllTheFish
I was just posting a version if events that has been reported.

Sorry BeforeGodAndAllTheFish to avoid miscommunication.
I was questioning the intention of the 'source' explaining CR's comment; which helpfully means CR can avoid further public statements on his choices.
I was not commenting on your views on CR or WS.👍

@BeforeGodAndAllTheFish

One liners references something in popular culture are pretty standard jokes.

CR sees JS, sees her hair, says GI Jane 2, takes a bow, comes back a second time with something to reinforce the one liner.

So assume CR never thought possibly cancer or hair loss.

Whats the cultural reference for him and her and us?

I was not aware that CR had done a movie around the culture around black womens hair. Even without that there has been so much talk about hair straightening and the Afro and the perm virtually disappearing from movies and from TV. CR cant claim he was unaware that hair "presentation" has cultural inferences.
Note the hairstyles⬇️ and the choice is more a woman than man issue.

And yeah, at these events, it's pretty normal to roast the audience and make jokes at the expense of the celebrities in attendance.

So you think that the line was not a complementary one, it was made at the expense of JS?

Whats the pouplar cultural reference?
We were all to reference an image, picture JS as the image which we could laugh at, it was a putdown for people to laugh at.
So the queston is whats the image?

Janet Jackson apologized too - saying it was a wardrobe malfunction when it was obviously intentional.

Yes, Jackson was thrown under the bus for that one. And none of it was intentional on her part.

I agree. Both have cheeky little grins immediately after.

You can’t take a micro expression from a snapshot and apply this kind of conclusion. That’s ridiculous.

I wonder how many of the people here would have a different opinion if someone was verbally abusive to you and your husband just stood idly by.....
Personally I'd be horrified if my husband punched someone if they insulted me in the same way he'd be horrified if I punched someone for insulting him. We do not use violence - we are not fucking gorillas.
I am also disgusted at the justification about his childhood. I know many men who grew up in violent households who abhor violence.
And we wonder why domestic violence is soaring ... the message is that you can punch someone if it's "justifiable". Everybody who punches another will have his/her own justification.

I've seen many tweets by African American women and men saying that white women need to shut up about this issue and we always centre ourselves because we have no clue what's going on.
From what I can gather black women have been the butt of jokes over there, amongst other things, and they're tired of it. Forbes published an article with the heading Why Are Jokes Always At The Expense of Black Women?
Which obviously isn't true. Comedy is often "offensive" and always has been. Didn't Ricky Gervais roast everyone at a ceremony fairly recently and what of that Jimmy Carr traveller "joke"? Surely we can't go around banning and smacking every comedian who says something that stings.

Rufus
I think everyone should watch Good Hair - it might stop schools & workplaces from saying black girls & women have untidy/messy/unsuitable/unprofessional hair & all the resultant damage. Or at least help a little.

I don’t think that Smith should be let off lightly/his behaviour dismissed, but when people insist with such certainty on their interpretation (which is made even less likely by his not having reacted immediately/initially laughing, now I think of it) it weakens the the justifiable criticisms of what he actually did.

@NoNever

Their facial expressions and obvious waiting to see audience reaction between the joke, the slap, the first declaration, followed by the louder declaration…..it doesn’t feel right. And yes, I’ve seen the “apology.” Janet Jackson apologized too - saying it was a wardrobe malfunction when it was obviously intentional. The stunt flopped, it’s an easy out.I’m totally okay with others disagreeing. I see actors acting. I don’t believe them.

Judging from that comment, you don't understand anything at all about how acting works, how PR works, or how humans work.

I have seen this theory being promoted on twitter by the usual suspects such as "Dr" [sic] gillian mckeith and the [redacted] Right Said Fred.

It's very very silly.

People forget that smiling and being seen to be laughing at the funny one liners is part of the work of acting and stand up.

As far as I am aware the UK producers stopped production of that program (based around assaulting people in the public eye) after that incident. It may have been that TC pointed out he could sue all involved and have the bloke charged, or that they realised it was not funny after TC pointed it out in very simple calm way.

Chris Rock knows not to talk about black womens hair

He did a documentary with basically the ‘moral’ being dont talk about black womens hair

Whether he knew about the alopecia or not

(And no…I don’t think smith should have hit him)