Stoneewall accused of dictating LGBT event

I also think you have to move with caution and not scare the horses sometimes.

The Tories have a large number of MPs who support LGBT rights (as I do). If done right, changes to deal with the overreach of the trans movement could bring some of the them along. If done wrong, the same changes could alienate those people as well as empower Labour to position the Tories as anti-LGBT.

It sounds like an invert of the Denton playbook. Except that, in the interim, anti-women policies have been approved, women's services erased, schools turned into a ideological battleground, women are being abused for holding public meetings with some degree of collusion from the Police and various authorities, and the public understanding of basic science has been muddled in a way that defies belief.

The invert Denton playbook would be played out on a completely different territory. The territory is the manipulation and creation of one side which is a tactic of which Sun Tzu would approve.

I acknowledge why you and others have adopted the rhetoric that supporting women's legal rights is anti those of other people through forced teaming. That has been one of the most striking successes for Denton's strategy.

I understand the strategy point being made. It makes sense. For true free speech and inclusivity though, the government should ask groups like LBGA.

Personally I think the government should roll out impartiality training like the EHRC did. It should be required.

Embarrassing:

I agree that that's an issue. I also think you have to move with caution and not scare the horses sometimes.

The Tories have a large number of MPs who support LGBT rights (as I do). If done right, changes to deal with the overreach of the trans movement could bring some of the them along. If done wrong, the same changes could alienate those people as well as empower Labour to position the Tories as anti-LGBT.

Labour look silly at the moment. If the Tories go too hard they won't.

After the next election you deal with NHS, school, university, police and civil service capture.

The longer these policies and cultures are entrenched, the more difficult, laborious, and expensive it will be to unpick all of this mess.

I'm struck by how often from 2015 onwards, people keep talking about a turning point and yet, here we are, with the same issues, more entrenched, and it's worse.

Leaving everything in place is acting in line with Denton. Not having these discussions so that the public can understand what is happening is exactly what Denton advises.

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/dentons-campaigns-kids-switch-gender-without-parental-approval

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-dentons-document?s=r

I think the strategy is right. Election coming in 2023/4. Let the conference go ahead, involve Stonewall all the way through. That makes it harder for them to say the Tories don't support LGBT people.

Meantime, you say no to self-ID, you put through new free speech legislation, you deal with childhood transition and you put GC people on your front bench. You await outcomes of key court cases (Forstater/Bailey/Sanchez). You let Labour/Lib Dems/Greens make fools of themselves about cervices and dinosaurs for as long as possible.

After the next election you deal with NHS, school, university, police and civil service capture.

It seems as if Stonewall has been encouraged to do this by their allies within the Civil Service who gain career points from doing this.

Yet again, where is the enforcement of Nolan Principles? There is a distinct CV and career advantage for the people involved to do Stonewall's bidding. These are non-immediate financial and reputational advantages and they stand in direct conflict with Nolan.