‘Trans women have been using women's spaces for years’

What are you on?

In fact that reads exactly like a male fantasy of the conversations women have in toilets

You forgot that women apparently always ask each other for a tampon.

It has always been very rare. The GRA estimated (based on actual research, what a novelty) that about 4000 people would apply for GRCs, mostly MtF, and so it turned out. - across the entire UK. Not many more than that without a GRC would be accessing women’s spaces and the crucial factor is that women have always been able to challenge anyone perceived to be male. There are a lot more than 4000 men trying to access women’s spaces across the UK ~and~ women are being bullied into not challenging it on pain of being accused of a hate crime

Can anyone remember when they asked us if we minded? Because I seem to have missed it.

In a quiet street last year, a transwoman came out of a hotel & asked my opinion of their hair colour.

A moment later they caught up with me to chat about how it looked from the back & ask which way I was going.

Of COURSE I bloody smiled, nodded & complimented before making an excuse & hurrying off. This person was a foot taller than me & there was nobody else around.

That was not validation or acceptance or ‘not noticing’. That was plain self-preservation.

We always know.

I have no doubt that the individual in the clip below (at 3.57 to about 4.30) thought that he was indistinguishable from a woman and that if he went into a woman's space and wasn't challenged it would affirm that self view. I feel a little sorry for him, but I don't want him in my space.

I don't want men in women's spaces, especially the ones who have the attitude of 'I don't care what you want, I want to come into this space and you can't stop me!

You appear to have been brooding over that post for four years! It was on Twitter. It got seven likes

Why do I have a notification that this won’t show in my active threads?

No, because the word transwomen doesn't mean transsexual.

Yes, a small number of transsexual people have been using women's facilities for years. Most of them were totally obvious because most MTF don't pass. Also they were much smaller in number.

But, the word 'transgender' means something different - it is an umbrella term, covering a many more groups and much larger in number. 'Transgender' includes the people we used to call transsexuals plus transvestites, cross dressers, non-binary people, gender fluid people, people experimenting with gender, and fetishists. (Remember, Stonewall says "expectance without exception"".

Many of these people call themselves transwomen, and/or think they should be in women's spaces.

What's changed, massively, also, is how politicised this issue is now. 10 years ago, if you said that women's wards or prisons should be single sex, no one would have batted an eyelid. But now, when women meet to discuss this topic, angry groups (including a majority of males, in my experience) gather to protest and intimidate women. (see #WPUKmanchester on Twitter for an example of this from just this week).

That's changed. And with it, the number of males who demand that they are entitled to women's spaces. That's very different from before.

You'd walk past her in the loos and never even know she's trans. You might even compliment her on her beautiful hair or her outfit or ask where she got her shoes

Yeah, if you were on E

We just need "let's trade bras" to finish it off nicely.

Than I asked them to be my new BFF and invited them for a sleepover where we painted each other’s toenails followed by a pillow fight in our frilly négligés.

Actually, I don't think I have any conversations at all with random other women in the loos. Maybe a smile here or there. Never once seen random strangers complimenting each other on their hair or lipstick.

And yet as an actual women I’ve been in womens toilets for years & that has never happened to me & I’ve never seen these “oooh your shoes/lipstick/hair is fabulous” conversations.

In fact that reads exactly like a male fantasy of the conversations women have in toilets.

Yup. I was about to post exactly that. I'm surprised there's no campaign to provide pillows in women's toilets so we can all have a pillow fight too. It's funny how some men think they can 'be' a woman when their only ideas of what a woman is seem to be based on ludicrous fantasy stereotypes which actual women almost universally find preposterous.

TW do not pass. But why would that matter now anyway, since it's apparently fine for fully bearded, bepenised and masculinely-dressed men to waltz into the ladies' because they feel like a woman?

There wasn't so many then. The numbers have shot up with self ID and the potential to take advantage. Even so, back then, women noticed, and they didn't want them in women's spaces then either. Transwomen in women's spaces makes women's spaces mixed sex. Just no.

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You may think we wouldn't know. I rather doubt it. We know. I have seen males in women's public toilets. I have always known.

Thieves have been breaking into houses for years so stop locking your door.

Narrator: Women had in fact, always noticed...

This person didn't ask about my lipstick thank fuck. And I didn't notice the shoes.

In fact that reads exactly like a male fantasy of the conversations women have in toilets

Doesn’t it just!

Yes indeed. I met a transwoman masturbating in a toilet when I was a teenager. About twenty years ago. Of course, as a young girl faced with a middle aged male pleasuring himself in a confined area I left as quickly and as quietly as I could.

The only time you'd have such kind of interaction on a public loo is when it's a pub or club loo and you're pissed.

If I was in the loo in Morrisons and someone started praising my lipstick or shoes I'd mumble a thanks and get the fuck away from them.

You rarely notice?
Really?
Not saying something is not the same as not noticing.
We notice.

You'd walk past her in the loos and never even know she's trans. You might even compliment her on her beautiful hair or her outfit or ask where she got her shoes.

This is what women do to try and appear friendly to try and lessen their risk.