‘Trans women have been using women's spaces for years’

I feel most comfortable as a woman, I guess that is the same with the two trans women you mentioned.

Apologies my post should read males and females should only be able to use the factilities that they match the sex at birth.

I re-read my post and realised I had not made my view clear.

Yes, what makes a man a woman?

I was indeed. See, this is where "cis" would come in helpful for precision of discussion, but here we are.

No, this is where women and transwoman would come in helpful here. We had precision of discussion but TRA are trying to obliterate that. The solution is not to misgender most women with offensive 'cis' language.

The solution is to call women women and to call the subset of men who identify as women 'transwomen'. No need to misgender with this language as 'women' is not a reference to identity but 'transwoman' is whilst still recognising them as biologically male.

That's disgusting and I am sorry.
says @CatherinaJTV in response to @DomesticatedZombie having the experience of transwoman wanking into the sink.

And that's one of the risks women are exposed to, if we let any bloke who fancies it say he's a laydee and use our loos (which we don't have enough of anyway).

It's well and good being sorry, but how about not letting it happen in the first fucking place?

Paedophiles have been raping babies for far longer than women have even had public toilets available to them.
That doesn't make it right & is not a good argument for allowing them to continue or want the law to be changed to make it a crime to object.
They even identify themselves as part of the TQ+ gang.

Slavery has been around for a long time too.
Just because some people traded in humans for a long time already, should it be regarded as their human right & the slavers given their own special days due to the fact they got away with it for so long?

Should sex traffickers get their own flag & a place in a parade so they can be proud of what they do?
After all, it's not a new thing either.

Just because something wrong has been done in the past, or even still continues to be done to this day, does not mean that it should be allowed to continue.

100% cool with transmen in the ladies, yep, no problem with transmen in any female space/role at all.

veronica ivy. man who identifies as a woman. not a criminal

why are me and veronica both women? what characteristics do we share that make us both women?

why are me and Shon both women?

I have no idea who all these people are you are mentioning. I will not discuss their rights in relation to some criminals.

what about trans men in the ladies?

no, no, we haven't got to 'but what about some women who look a bit like men' yet

you're still going to tell me why me and Jane Fae are both women and I should be super relaxed about sharing a hospital ward with Jane

come on

It's showing my age but I now have a picture in my head of Dick Emery, where 'she' walks off with a little trip.

but now we know they can claim to be us and entire our spaces with a full lunchbox thats an entirely different kettle of jizz now isnt it.

only men can rape.

@CatherinaJTV god help us all if women () like you are ushering men into female only spaces. i hope you receive the validation from men you so clearly are desperate for

that's a lovely, erm, apron you're wearing @DomesticatedZombie, can I ask where you got it from?

there? happy now?

I give compliments to, and get compliments from, strangers about what I'm wearing and what they are wearing. This can and does happen in the street or standing in a queue, in shops and even the ladies loo.

It's more understandable that compliments are exchanged in a public space with ready egress and when I wasn't handling money or conducting a transaction. I would be surprised if these exchanges were that frequent in the "ladies loo" and with strangers. I would be especially wary if it were a time of day and venue when I might be uncertain about the sobriety of strangers or if it were the sort of place where there are warnings about distraction thefts or pickpockets.

We don’t want men in women only spaces.

It does happen. It might not happen to the regular posters on FWR but just because it's never happened to you (general you) doesn't mean it never happens.

How very dare you Kimiko! Are you calling me a frump?!

Clothes, yes @KimikosNightmare. Lipstick? Hair? Never.

And no one has ever asked me to pass them a paper towel. Nor have I ever heard it happen.

I think the policing of toilets and changing rooms is part of the issue. In my view the rules should be very clear - you can only use the facilities that matches your birth sex. I don't believe there is a "half-way" compromise in some cases (other than for children.) Males or females should be allowed to use the faculties that do not match biological birth sex. Once it is clear it is much easier then to say someone has followed the rules. I think in this case we have to have clarity - I do feel that many people are waking up to this issue are - the problem is that it has almost crept up on the public at large - the pressure groups have been at work and the vast amount of people were to aware what was happening - I was not aware how things had been moving towards this agenda and I think I was like many people who now feel we have let pressure groups get their own way and these "rights" need to be taken back.