‘Trans women have been using women's spaces for years’

Why should the word "woman" (which is already TAKEN by the way) now mean anything other than what it has meant for centuries?

If men who identify as something other than what they are, want a word for themselves, they can jolly well make another one up, instead of demanding that we change our own language, pronouns and words to make them feel better.
CIS is a nonsense term made up by woke arseholes desperate to pander to men.
(Oh dear did I say that out loud?)

"Woman" means what it always has meant.
I don't want or need a stupid fucking prefix to state who and what I am.

i'm waiting for you to convince me

you and I know I won't convince you. I've given you my answer. I am sorry if that doesn't convince you.

I don't mind trans women in changing rooms. I would somewhat mind intact ones that made that very obvious.

See, this is where "cis" would come in helpful for precision of discussion, ridiculous! You want to change the definition of a perfectly well understood word and then add a descriptor to make sure you know we’re not talking about the men you added….what happens when transwomen want to be called transciswomen? And on and on till we all rollover and one falls out? Who will be left? And just how long will they take in the toilet passing paper back and forth and complementing each other?

My patience for the pretence that men are women is wearing really, really thin these days. They’re not, and they never will be. Some of us will pretend in certain circumstances, some of us will pretend in all circumstances, but that’s all it is, a pretence. Every single one of us knows this.

@CatherinaJTV

I feel most comfortable as a woman, I guess that is the same with the two trans women you mentioned.

this is your definition of a woman?

'a woman is someone who feels most comfortable as a woman' ?

you know that total bollocks don't you? of course you do

a dog is an animal that feels most comfortable as a dog

a doctor is a person who feels most comfortable as a doctor

yeah. doesn't work with those either

please do try again. you're trying to make me give up my rights. i'm waiting for you to convince me

Catherina - it's quite simple.
What is a woman?

You absolutely haven’t answered @BernardBlackMissesLangCleg’s question, @CatherinaJTV

define woman without using the word 'woman'

sorry what?

Still waiting @CatherinaJTV for your answer to @BernardBlackMissesLangCleg 's question.

""Which characteristics do you share with "natal" female criminals? That discussion is not going to get us anywhere.""

Oh come on.

Women come in all shapes, sizes, builds, sexual orientations, colours, religions ad nauseum.
Lesbian women? Still women.
Disabled women? Still women.
Tall butch women? Still women.
Criminal women? Still women.

Man with a dick who "feeelz" like a woman? Not a fucking woman.

SEX MATTERS.
THAT'S what we share with other women that we can never share with biological men.

WHAT is a woman? If it encompasses being a man, what is a woman? I don't think you have answered this apart from trying to say that argument won't go anywhere.
Isn't that because you know that question cannot be answered in any way that includes men?

we're in the count down to the 'you're all big meanies and I can't talk to you' flounce

but I find it strangely satisfying every time. it's probably some sort of personality flaw

Ah, and this (re Press for Change and Coronation Street trans character being part of their strategy)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4248152-A-message-from-a-trans-friend-International-Day-Against-Homophobia-Transphobia-and-Biphobia?msgid=107530473

As I said earlier in the thread I know a transwoman, we share a hobby (obviously it would be far too outing for me to say what it is so I will let you all assume it's cycling). From one of the 'girlie chats' they have instigated with me I know that they use the ladies loos. I'm really not comfortable with this but neither am I comfortable with with telling them I don't want them in female spaces. I suspect I would be branded a bigot and give the cold shoulder by many of the people I share this activity with so I put up and shut up and cross my fingers that I don't encounter them in the ladies or use a portaloo even if I would usually seek out 'proper' toilet. So they probably assume I'm OK with them in the ladies - I'm not, I just don't want to be a target for abuse because I the one that calls them out. If I was asked if I was OK I'd say no but raising it out of the blue it too big a step for me.

or is a chair something that feels most comfortable as a chair?

define woman without using the word 'woman'

like 'chair' = a separate seat for one person, typically with a back and four legs

I'm going to say it again

you want me to give up my rights for this

you need a bloody good explanation. i'd love to hear it

Think I must be living in a bubble!! How often are you all encountering men claiming to be trans to enter in women’s spaces? I mean - in your real every day life - in the Costa loos, your leisure centre changing rooms? Is this something that’s happening to you all every day, or more like weekly / monthly? Trying to get a sense of the scale as I live in a really diverse liberal city and I’ve never seen this first hand myself.