‘Trans women have been using women's spaces for years’

I can think of several other kinds of males who feel very comfortable in women's spaces and would like to spend time there. Is this how we decide which males are allowed to access female spaces? According to male desire?

I feel most comfortable as a woman, I guess that is the same with the two trans women you mentioned.

So that is why we ought to let males access female spaces? Because they feel most comfortable there? Please tell me there's more to your reasoning than that, Christina.

Oooooooh its cos I've got short hair innit? That's why I dont get compliments or asked to pass the towels in the bogs.

Lots of chat here @CatherinaJTV so you might have missed the question but can you tell me what 'feeling comfortable as a woman' means?

let's try this from a different angle @CatherinaJTV

do you understand why single sex spaces exist?

do you understand that people with male bodies (fuddy duddies like me call them 'men') commit 98% of sexual offenses?

do you understand that they are kept out of spaces where people with female bodies are vulnerable to keep those female people safe?

what is it about a person with a male body identifying as a woman that makes them less likely to commit sexual offences?

and no, saying 'most rapists are men' is not the same as saying 'most men are rapists' before you try to use that 'look! a squirrel!' distraction

I knew I was a female before I knew the concept of genitals or had wide hips, or breasts, even longer before I had children. I was often misgendered as a child and knew I was a girl

So what? The adults calling you a girl knew you were a girl. It's much easier to confuse a boy and a girl as their bodies are not that differentiated. What do you think this shows? My point clearly was that I know I am a woman as I have a woman's body..there is not one single other reason. So a transwoman is not a woman and never can be.

I have that identity. I am a cis woman.
Again so what? Call yourself cis if you want to. No-one minds that. What we mind is you forcing that identity on others. You do understand that calling someone cis infers an identity most women don't have yes?

yes yes, and if we have marriage equality, people will want to marry their toasters
Oh jeeeeeeeez.
Sometimes, Catherina, rights are not like pie. My gay friends getting married did not deprive me of anything. In fact, it made me very happy that they were able to do so and make official relationships that had been going strong for decades.

Sometimes, though, rights ARE like pie. If any bloke can say he's a woman, bang go the safety and privacy of women in toilets and changing rooms and prisons. Bang go women's sports.

Can you honestly not see the difference? Or are you just eagerly looking for a way to try and make look like nasty people?

[quote LabMix]@CatherinaJTV so you can’t answer the question of what a woman is yet you’re welcoming men into their spaces 🤡[/quote]
And welcoming them into incarcerated women's spaces.

Gender is only a social construct. It is not a hard, biological fact.

yet, I keep getting misgendered for communicating like a man on a gender critical board.

[quote Zerogravity]@VampireMoney and your point is? Only pretty transwomen can use women's spaces? Which of these would you allow in?[/quote]
None of them

Which characteristics do you share with "natal" female criminals? That discussion is not going to get us anywhere.

Glad you brought this up. Well, in general, quite a few. We're all female. In the specifics, also quite a few, as my mother was a convicted criminal who had served a prison sentence. I am her biological daughter, and we share the same taste in literature for example.

It's why I keep asking people like yourself to consider the impact on incarcerated women of putting male transitioners in women's prisons instead of separate units.

yes yes, and if we have marriage equality, people will want to marry their toasters

hmm, you want me to give away my rights based on you redefining the meaning of the word 'woman', but being unable to give your new definition @CatherinaJTV

forgive me if I take absolutely nothing you say seriously

Except in this case on the space of a few years we’ve had women and then female colonised.

but many trans women will refer to themselves as women, and across this thread, my "woman"hood was doubted, so the "c word" adds precision. It is positively weirder to say "were you born with a vagina".

Trans woman should call themselves trans woman and then we don't get the confusion. Your womanhood was doubted due to the confusion caused by men wanting to call themselves women. Cis confers an identity most women don't have - feel free to engage with that point.

@CatherinaJTV so you can’t answer the question of what a woman is yet you’re welcoming men into their spaces 🤡

I know I'm a woman as I can see my vulva and breasts, and my wider pelvis. This was confirmed when I grew two children in my womb.

I have literally no idea what 'feeling comfortable as a woman' means. Can you explain?

When I am warm and not in pain and not hungry, I feel comfortable but in no different way to how my OH feels comfortable so not sure that it can be said that in those instance I feel comfortable as a woman and he feels comfortable as a man.

To take your analogy, when I write with my right-hand, I know I am right handed. I don't, however, feel like I am a right-handed woman in that instance. It's a better analogy with my description of a woman: I know I am a woman as I have a woman's body.

When people expect me to conform to female stereotypes that pisses me off. Does that mean I don't feel comfortable as a woman?

because they're women

So if you believe transwomen are women, how do you define “woman”?

Personally, as a woman, I define my sex as “adult human female”.

Transwomen are transwomen.

Oh, and don’t use “cis” to talk about women.

Gender is only a social construct. It is not a hard, biological fact. I can chose to not believe in gender and just think people express their sexuality in different ways.

ah, you can't answer then @CatherinaJTV ?

in which case I suggest you stop lecturing me about why I'm nasty for not wanting to share spaces where I'm vulnerable with men

come back when you can tell me in a convincing way why some of those men are women

now we know they can claim to be us and entire our spaces with a full lunchbox thats an entirely different kettle of jizz now isnt it.

Exactly. But we still were not asked.

I'm not worried about sharing with transwoman, I'm worried about sharing with men. Transwoman think they will be safe in women's spaces but they are fearful of men, who are now allowed into women's spaces.