Posie Parker on Fox News

I think the Guardian has let itself down very badly over this issue - as have other news outlets - and I now read everything in it with a far more critical eye (no bad thing). It has quite rightly lost readers over it, but it also produces a lot of quality journalism. The same cannot be said of Fox.

The only difference is the Guardian does it with an air of moral superiority, whereas it’s pretty clear Fox News does it for the money.

The Guardian IS the left wing equivalent of Fox News. They outright lie about trans issues, (there are multiple examples) carefully control the narrative on this issue - don’t allow comments, moderate gender critical comments, practise censorship - and are following a propagandist agenda on this issue rather than reporting the facts. This is exactly what Fox News does.

@Pallisers - I’m late to this thread, and just wanted to say that I agree with everything you’ve said. Appearances like this further entrench the idea that GC feminism is part of a package of illiberal, bigoted views, and I cringe every time I see a thread like this.

Also can’t stand the idea that the likes of Fox News are the right wing equivalent of the Guardian. I’ve seen claims along those lines said of outlets like Breitbart. No, I’ll read something like the Telegraph for balance, thanks. I don’t see the value in poor quality extremist rubbish and do see an awful lot of harm.

Enmeshing the GC position in the left-right culture wars is an absolute disaster.

Posie Parker can do what she wants and can speak where she wants.

Have you got any idea of the number of places she has been banned from? It even includes paying for posters at Edinburgh train station after her "I ❤️ JK Rowling" as they "breached guidelines".

She's banned from here because she simply calls men men.

As she is from Twitter.

She can't speak "where she wants" so she speaks anywhere she can.

No one who isn't in the Fox News spiral will listen or care.

I seem to recall seeing the stat the other day that Fox News' viewing figures are higher among Democratic voters than NBC.

Ah, here we go:

twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1489258034865971205

It seems to me that those in the US who refuse to watch Fox might be the ones in the echo chamber... Getting much visibility of the attack on women's rights elsewhere?

After all, other channels aren't letting troublemakers like Kara Dansky or Posie Parker on.

Or Glenn Greenwald there, who continually justifies his appearances on Tucker Carlson with his view it's the best way to get information out to the most diverse audience who may be unaware of an issue - precisely the opposite of "shouting into an echo chamber".

From those stats, it seems like going on Fox is actually a great way to reach the viewers of other channels, most of whom don't only watch them.

I don't have any love for Fox, but I do have scorn for the others - as far as I can tell anyone relying on US mainstream TV but not watching Fox too is going to be missing a hell of a lot of the picture, due to the other networks' incredibly studied blind spots.

Including the blind spot of thinking that Fox is only reaching a "right-wing echo chamber"

Now, as you can see in the third tweet, there is obviously a huge ideological split. But that data it can be reconciled with the first poll - the third one really exaggerates it because it's just plotting "people who name each as their main source of news", not all viewers.

That sort of open-ended question is just inviting some sort of tribal declaration, so no decent Democratic voter is going to want to say "Fox News" to that, even if they are watching it...

"93% of people who cite Fox News as their main source of news are Republicans" is not the same statement as "93% of people who watch Fox News are Republicans".

Posie is reaching a hell of a lot of Democrats and independents by appearing on Tucker Carlson.

What would I have her do? Whatever she wants. Posie Parker can do what she wants and can speak where she wants. Absolutely. and if it helps the cause great. I don't have to like the fact that she is appearing on Fox News.

Why am I being critisized for saying I won't watch Fox News no matter what is on the channel? Look up Fox News and you will see why I feel this way. or not.

It isn't a great new thing that a GC person is on Fox News. They are all over this GC or rather anti-trans thing in the case of Fox. No one who isn't in the Fox News spiral will listen or care. This is shouting into a right wing echo chamber. Nothing to celebrate

It's very characteristic of any television news to be very affected by what excites the viewer, which means the information in television news is relatively distorted at the best of times compared to print (though not necessarily the internet.) It's the nature of the medium.

I suspect many of those commentating on this thread don't live in the US and don't understand what Fox News actually is. Or do and agree with them.

I'm in the US. I'm very definitely not a fan of Fox News. What would you have her do though? CNN or MSNBC won't be having her on any time soon. They won't be calling Kara Dansky either.

I suspect many of those commentating on this thread don't live in the US and don't understand what Fox News actually is. Or do and agree with them.

it means accepting it as a legitimate source of news rather than the racist sexist extreme right wing piece of shit that it is.

Some of what they put on is quite bad, and some of it is pretty standard.

No one has to accept, or not accept, all of it just because it's on Fox News. Or for that matter being interviewed by TC. Any more than you accept or not accept everything from any other network.

So what are the “approved” news organisations where it’s acceptable for people to air their concerns without fear of association with such extremes and sexism?

The short answer is Not Fox News. I would really welcome someone like PP being given a platform on the Wall Street Journal for example. I don't agree with many of their editorial positions etc but I respect the WSJ as a legitimate news site. That would be a real coup.

It would be nice to think Posie got the messages out - but out where? She got them out to an echo chamber of people who watch Fox News. And she managed to associate her name and her voice with extreme irrational right wing racist extremists. lovely for the cause.

I suspect many of those commentating on this thread don't live in the US and don't understand what Fox News actually is. Or do and agree with them.

Posie is getting the message out that

men cannot become women

we all know what a woman is

men shouldn't be in women's spaces, sports or statistics

on ANY platform she can get on that will reach as many people as possible.

I think she's doing a great job.

Hopefully the mainstream channels will get her on soon.

But you don’t need to “accept” it as anything, just listen to what Posie says on there. Even Carlson, despite his history, doesn’t say much himself but just ask Posie questions.

The left wing media are equally sexist and extreme, with a flipped McCarthyism approach to “approved” speakers and controlling of language.

So what are the “approved” news organisations where it’s acceptable for people to air their concerns without fear of association with such extremes and sexism?

*no point argue about what the right sort of feminism looks like. We have one agenda, women’s rights. Look what all the ideological infighting has done for the Labour Party.

I agree, if The Left, the BBC, the Labour Party won’t listen to women or give us a platform, you’ve got to go where the sunlight shines. No point arguing over what the rules

But what does "accept" Fox News, mean?

But maybe you could begin to just imagine: not all feminists share all your views.

Yes this thread has made it very clear. Some think Fox News is the same as the Wall Street Journal or other conservative news outlets. I don't.

I really resent being told I have to accept fox news in order to be gender critical.

Posie is great at seizing the moment and making the most of the media. I'm for one appreciate her plain, calm speaking and am glad she is getting the message out there.

I watch GB News loads they have loads of stuff on women's right to call ourselves women, definitions etc. You just don't hear it on BBC.

GC females have no choice but to appear on whichever media will give them a voice. The left wing media in the main combine biological ignorance with being gutless wonders to such a degree they are a lost cause.

The Daily Telegraph today had a large colour picture of the trans demo outside the Woman's Place conference. The main poster in all its trans glory said: "Some women have penises". I'm afraid it was a coffee spitting with laughter moment for me. Do these people not realise how stupid they look?

Personally, I don't care whether exposing the idiocy of the trans gender movement comes from extreme left, extreme right or the centre. It's the truth that matters and no political wing has a monopoly on that.

Then again, many people of us GC women appreciate her having the time, money and energy to do what she is doing, regardless of how much or little our politics overlap with hers.

Purity spirals are utter cobblers.

Kellie-Jay appearing with Tucker Carlson on Fox is fantastic for the Posie Parker brand, for the GC movement probably not.