Posie Parker on Fox News

Verily, tis an strange boast. Summon the witchfinder forthwith!

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Kellie-Jay Keen (Posie Parker) is back from the United States, with an 'strange' boast... "I've had the pleasure, of meeting the Nazi, Tucker Carlson! What a lovely man... A really really delightful man!" Those gathered cheered to the words Nazi and Tucker.

As a lifelong leftie, it's been really uncomfortable to see people and publications that I had hugely admired, and gone along with unquestionally, subscribe wholeheartedly with this regressive nonesense. Tucker Carlson, The Daily Mail, The Spectator, Piers Morgan, The Times and The Telegraph have spoken more sense than any left wing commentator. So where does that leave us?

Last year, I was in a Zoom meeting after the murder of Sarah Everard, hosted by my MP, Zarah Sultana. I got told to shut up, called a TERF and got kicked out of the meeting for using the phrase, "sex based violence". Am I now supposed to vote for this woman just because she is a Labour MP? HELL NO! Don't respect my sex, don't expect my X.

This issue transcends any party politics, because it's about REALITY!

Useful? Abso bloody lutely.

Idiot??

Hahahahahaha.

Since Posie's trip to America she says sales and membership have increased massively. That means more women on the ground talking to other women and spreading the word. That can only be a good thing. We have so few spaces to talk openly that in the end change will come from the grassroot and all those wonderful women supporters meeting, talking and acting.
I recently made a new local friend in real life at one of Posie's regional Speakers Corner. We have lots planned to keep yo the good fight.

I personally think 'Posie Parker' now functions as a bit of a useful idiot

FFS. When you are up and running and making as many people across the world aware of what is happening, do let us know and we might tune in to you.

To diminish Kellie Jay as a ‘useful idiot’ says everything really. To diminish a woman who had captured the attention of millions of people at this point as being a useful idiot… yeah crack on.

I will support women out there discussing this in any media. Because I know that they are putting it on the line when I am not prepared to.

The point is, almost every single person on the planet is going to end up agreeing with us.

Because it's mad.

We can do better than this!!

Go on then.

Get those bastions of truth and objectivity like the Guardian to platform yourself and others without censorship so that the pure of heart and mind who would who never sully their spotlessly clean souls with the manifestation of pure evil (GB news, Fox etc) unlike the unwashed filth, can hear your message.

Let us know when you've made any progress.

I don't really see how there can be such a thing as 'bedfellows' or 'aligning with' when it comes to matters of material reality and objective truth.

If Tucker Carlson said gravity exists, water is wet and the earth is round I'd be in agreement with him.

Something as fundamental as the existence of sex in human people transcends partisan politics and I don't have to like all the other people in the world who recognise it either.

You know, why just not watch an interview if it's a good one?

The interview that TC did with Glen Loury was really good. I don't know if TC is a deep down racist, but you know, just like calling people a transphobe, that accusation is not one I take at face value any more. I think Loury is completely right about the warning he is giving about the very serious danger that current anti-racism approaches are likely to totally backfire and make things much worse for black Americans.

There is a point where you have this group of very purist people throwing around these slurs, and they completely lose their meaning, and you start to need to take people just as they come. You agree with this, but not with that, and you don't make too many assumptions about their underlying motives.

I don't watch much Fox because I avoid television news in general, but some of it is fine. The same with The Daily Mail, they have done some journalism work that is high quality, right along side some that is pretty poor. And yes, the same with The Guardian, and the BBC. Once you see them massaging the narrative and obscuring reality on purpose it's very difficult to see a difference between what they do and what Fox does.

100% @NotBadConsidering.

All this 'I will not aligned with Tucker Carlson.'

Tough. You do align with Tucker Carlson and there's nothing you can do about it.
Except wring your hands and pretend it's not true if you continue to state how much you hate Tucker Carlson.

And if you were prepared to think seriously about that at all it should challenge the very tribal boundaries you operate within.
In fact it should shatter them.

Doesn't mean you have to like Tucker Carlson or agree with him on anything except this, but it should make you realise the binary of right wing bad/ left wing good is flawed and dangerous.

Honestly it’s such a trite pathetic point that gets made all the time whenever the right wing media, particularly American, is involved in this debate.

“Oh no! Can’t possibly associate with those nasty people [holds nose]”

What this actually is is your own intolerance. You can’t possibly accept the idea that you might agree with people who are ideologically different to you and as such decide to avoid at all costs. The reason this issue is agreed upon across the political spectrum is precisely why you should be proud to be in agreement. It is precisely what you should tell your daughter: that this is position of truth, logic and science. People from all sides - including most of the Left it needs to be said - agree with Tucker Carlson and his ilk because it’s the bloody truth! Men cannot be women, Lia Thomas should not be swimming against women, you can’t change sex, Yaniv is a predator, the Loudoun rape and Wi Spa cases actually happened. It’s truth!

You tell your daughter that you’re not “aligning” with any political side, it’s just that sensible, logical, not-in-the-cult people of all political persuasions can see through the bullshit. Tell your daughter that bullshit detectors aren’t political.

I am not, and nor is Posie, and nor is anyone else on this thread “aligning” themselves with Tucker Carlson. What is actually happening is lots of different people are aligning themselves with the idea that the whole ideology is nonsense. They are not “on our side”; we are not taking sides, it’s just we all end up on the same side because it’s the only place to end up if you’re not a fucking idiot.

I sometimes wonder, if people who can’t abide the American Right so much, wouldn’t be happier if they were totally capitulated TWAW to make it easier to cope with their mental discomfort.

And no one is accepting this agreement “at all costs”; I am perfectly capable of saying “we agree on this, but not that, and that idea I distinctly oppose.” It’s not hard. It’s called being a grown up. Agreement does not imply blanket approval of all of that person’s positions. Despite this, however, blanket approval is often inferred by observers if anyone shows signs of agreement: “you agree with Tucker Carlson on this? You must also want to overthrow the US government and are racist towards black women who want to be on the Supreme Court.” It’s so utterly childish and the main way debate is silenced.

The majority of the conservative American right are not monsters, you know. They’re just normal people with different views who know a man in the pool with women when they see one, and know a boy raping a girl in school toilets shouldn’t be covered up for the sake of identity.

The single biggest step I took personally was to stop worrying about whether people think I am a bigot. It’s such a weight off your shoulders when you stop giving a fuck about whether you’re on the “right” side, or socially acceptable side, and just be comfortable you’re on the side of truth, which wears many political colours. Just watch the clip FFS. No one will know, you won’t turn into a raving crackpot Trumpian racist, the world won’t explode . And if you somehow (whisper it quietly) agree with Posie or aren’t horrified by Carlson, be comforted in the fact that you’re still you and watching one video isn’t going to change you.

Surely it's better that everyone hears and believes the truth, whether or not they are people who align with your political stance or views on other things? If the message is going to get out to everybody, it needs to be in the media that everybody consumes, not just the media you approve of.

Anyone who dismisses the plight of women in prison being housed with violent sex offenders as 'right wing bigotry' demonstrates their own character and ethical values - or rather the lack of them.

This is going to make it even harder for me to persuade my left leaning daughter that being gender critical isn't because I'm a right wing bigot.

I've become more left leaning myself over the last few years and I'm angry that it's the left who are blinded by trans ideology at the moment. I can tolerate the Conservatives being on the right side of history here, but right wing conservative America? Nope, can't do that.

We need to think carefully about who are bed fellows are here and not accept them all at any cost because we think they agree with us. They might agree, but not for a reason that I find acceptable.

[quote ClafoutisSurprise]@Pallisers - I’m late to this thread, and just wanted to say that I agree with everything you’ve said. Appearances like this further entrench the idea that GC feminism is part of a package of illiberal, bigoted views, and I cringe every time I see a thread like this.

Also can’t stand the idea that the likes of Fox News are the right wing equivalent of the Guardian. I’ve seen claims along those lines said of outlets like Breitbart. No, I’ll read something like the Telegraph for balance, thanks. I don’t see the value in poor quality extremist rubbish and do see an awful lot of harm.

Enmeshing the GC position in the left-right culture wars is an absolute disaster.[/quote]
Agree with all of this too.

Honestly if women are going to align themselves with Fox News and people like Tucker Carlson then I just can't do it. It's really not the positive that some people think it is. Thanks, but no thanks.

I find it upsetting that some people are "on our side" when they have an agenda that is nothing to do with women's rights or protecting our spaces. These are people I wouldn't associate with or touch with a ten foot barge pole. I don't want them avocating for women at all.

Personally I find him intelligent, unbiased and quite often quite humorous- but then I’m not given to calling people I have never met piece of shit’.

That's the main disconnect for me - I see lots of people so incredibly emotionally invested in saying how horrible people like Tucker Carlson or Joe Rogan are, and from where I'm sitting, I can see who seems more liberal and open-minded.

Maybe I'm missing something somewhere, but I can see who's spitting venom and calling names and apparently motivated by hatred, and it's not them. (Same sort of vibe as watching TRAs yelling outside a feminist meeting, calling the women hateful...)

Couple of interesting discussions here around this sort of area with Glenn Loury agonising about going on Tucker Carlson, discussing it with John McWhorter, who was not a fan - "I don't do Fox".

McWhorter reasoned that he doesn't do it because he's specifically trying to reach people who pride themselves on "not watching Fox", like previous posters.

...in the world that I live in where a critical mass of educated liberal and left people think that way, it scotches my message to be seen on those shows, because what I'm trying to do is talk to the people who are running these schools, talk to the people sitting on the fence who are thinking they're supposed to listen to Ibram Kendi because he has dreadlocks, but they know that Coleman Hughes makes sense. The kind of person who could go the right way if they just heard the right ideas.

That person - one out of two of those people think that you suck the minute you have ever been on a set with Tucker Carlson. And so as far as I'm concerned in the time that i have left, I would rather not do that.

And so, I feel bad sometimes. The Fox bookers try to get me. Just this week I finally said to one of them, "you know what, I don't do Fox." I feel bad saying that because it's not fair. I mean there are some terrible things said on Fox News, and I've been repulsed by how they approach the Trump phenomenon in particular. But the idea that everybody who works for fox news is a moron or an idiot or malevolent is absurd. But at this point if I want to reach a certain kind of person, I can't have that stink on me.

And honestly if I may, you might be doing that to yourself. So it depends on who you want to convince. And the thing is, the people on the Fox side don't need convincing. It's the people in Park Slope. And I openly admit that if the people in Park Slope think that you suck if you are anywhere near Hannity but that you're somebody to contend with if you talk to Chris Hayes i'm going to talk to Chris Hayes especially because it's more fun to talk to Chris Hayes because he's going to push back.

I don't think that logic applies so much to Posie - we're more at the consciousness-raising thing here. She's trying to reach the general public.

Glenn Loury did go on in the end - post-discussion:

It has quite rightly lost readers over it, but it also produces a lot of quality journalism.

Are we sure about that?

Because first they lied over Cologne then they've lied consistently over this issue for years, removing any trace of dissent from their comment sections. So after a while you do start to wonder what else they're lying about that you just haven't picked up on.

None of this does anything for confidence in journalistic integrity.

Fox News covered the Loudoun County rape case. And the true events of Wi Spa. And Jessica Yaniv. And report accurately on Lia Thomas currently.