Posie Parker on Fox News

Your Tories are more like our Joe Bidens! I wish American conservatism was like UK's.

Tucker Carlson is far right.

Delphinium 20. We don’t have experience with Trump and MAGA types, Because so far we haven’t become so polarised and tribal.

because the intention is hate and the stoking of it

Again with this nonsense. Posie was there to talk about sport. Do you ever stop to consider that the reason right wing - not far right 🙄- organisations and publications don’t want males in women’s sport is because they know it just isn’t fair?

I can’t work with people who thought taking children and babies was a great deterrent and then didn’t even bother to look after those children they had stolen. That’s on a par with Russia bombing a maternity hospital

This is just one of the many things the Republican party approved of under their watch. They are also on the warpath to remove the right for any woman or teen girl to get an abortion. In some states, they have created laws to deny an 11-year-old girl to get an abortion if her rapist disagrees. American women's reproductive autonomy is under attack. While not all who voted for Trump are bad people, there are a lot of awful people dominating the far right in American politics - including white supremacists - and almost all of them are misogynists of various flavors.

Tucker Carlson may have GC views, but he's a vile POS who twists and manipulates information with no care for who he uses - and yes, he's using Posie Parker to create drama, which is good only for his brand. To claim he's arguing in good faith and just happens to have a different opinion on other things than most of us is a woefully naive take on his motivation. I don't know who Posie thinks she's flipping to our side by appealing to Tucker Carlson's audience. I mean, what is the strategy, exactly?

I often think UK feminists on MN don't have the experience of up front and personal interactions w/ Trump Maga types and American-style far right, because if they did, I don't think you'd easily wave away appearing on Tucker Carlson as simply, "a platform to share our views." Tucker Carlson's main audience are the kind of people who have stockpiles of guns and cheer on plots to kidnap women governors.

I strongly question any strategy where feminists agree to be used by right wing media, just on the off chance they might persuade someone who wasn't before persuaded. There's absolutely no strategic value in singing to a conservative choir. Being strategic means we have to convince those on the left...and sharing platforms with far-right nihilistic pot-stirrers like Tucker will only detract leftists from listening, in fact, it may turn them off the message because humans are tribal. Every time a feminist goes on a Fox-like media outlet, I see us taking two steps back.

The alternative is women not getting a platform at all. Because the hateful news outlets on the Left and Centre, from the Guardian to the Independent, won't publish us at all.

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You aren't wrong. I've had a few "you are stupid" Twitter replies for sarcasm

Someone telling me that insisting transwomen are men is, apparently, a tautological behaviour. I replied "Tautological? You misspelled BIOLOGICAL wrong". And had the most brilliantly vituperative response, telling me I was thick as a brick and should have used a dictionary 🙂

He then doubled down and said I can't have been being sarcastic, I was just being a dick... So blue haired yoof, American or not, can't cope with sarcasm. They are so boringly literal. Makes poking them far less fun than it should be

You tell your daughter that you’re not “aligning” with any political side, it’s just that sensible, logical, not-in-the-cult people of all political persuasions can see through the bullshit. Tell your daughter that bullshit detectors aren’t political.

And we see the apotheosis of this sort of logic in stuff like the Family Sex Show, or extremely age-inappropriate sex stuff in schools.

It becomes a matter of principle to subject children to that, because to complain about it would be aligning with the "evil" right. You have to do totally wrong-headed things because "bad" people disagree with those things.

This sort of "purity" thinking leads to very dark places, and can induce you to do things you would never countenance otherwise, out of pure tribalism.

I don't like this defence of hateful or far right news outlets just because they are the only ones that air GC views. There's a reason they give airtime for GC views: because the intention is hate and the stoking of it, not because they give a shit about women.
The GC cause is valid. No need to cosey up to dubious people just because they'll give you a soapbox.

Because I think you can support a republican supported position or a republican or a piece on fox (I’m pretty sure I don’t extend that to tucker Carlson himself, if he’s right on this it’s a stopped clock), but it is dismissive and antihuman to call objectors
and their position trite and pathetic, when the reasons driving the objections are neither. They are valid and fundamental. Try explaining that instead.

I really can't explain why people thought this was a good policy idea, although my understanding was that it was broadly unpopular. Though I do not think it's equivalent to bombing a hospital with civilians in it which has a fairly clear goal of killing said civilians.

That being said, what's your point in that context? The discussion is about appearing on what are fairly mainstream media outlets with a lot of viewers of different perspectives.

One thing? That’s not one thing.
its not the entire republican establishment and every one red ever, there were voices in opposition and no I wouldn’t tar them all with the same brush. But it’s important to highlight that not everything is an equivalent political point to just get over and move past and this is not trite and pathetic, it’s fundamental. Some things are unforgivable. If my work hired a new senior manager for my team who had been senior in that process I’d quit on the spot, I think that’s the least I can do as a human being.

I regularly agree with and am friends with people who are ideologically in disagreement with me. The key similarity I find that overrides our politics is that we are all human beings. That attitude was not present in some major decisions made by the republican govt. I can work with people who made tough border decisions, I can work with people
who voted for brexit, I can’t work with people who thought taking children and babies was a great deterrent and then didn’t even bother to look after those children they had stolen. That’s on a par with Russia bombing a maternity hospital.

You mean if a person or group gets one thing wrong, they should be repudiated altogether? And even the media sources associated with the larger group of people who may or may not all individually agree on each and every policy point?

If that's your approach you are going to have to give up every "side" out there.

Posie is the business, isn't she? More power to her elbow! Her unfailing honesty shows up all those liars disingenuous people (and apparatchiks in places of power) who pretend they don't know a woman is an adult female of the human variety.

I'd have stronger words for the ones who are pushing legislation to allow and enable the locking up of rapists with women, and are pushing cheating by males in female sports. Also, those involved in any way with the sexualisation (and medical intervention) of children by a variety of 'interested' adults. They know a man is not a woman, but are taking the currently politically 'useful', dissembling lines.

It is not a pathetic point. One side approved tearing thousands of children from their parents as a deterrent measure. The traumatised children were housed in overpopulated unsanitary buildings without adequate food, healthcare and beds much less the kind of care and support children, especially young children need. Some things are worth judging, and everyone who supported or contributed to the ICE protocols SHOULD be judged. The families of many of those children have never been found again. My heart still hurts just thinking about it.

This is a brilliant piece of writing

Posie's decision to appear on Fox News is clearly divisive. However, before condemning it, it's worth bearing in mind what Helen Joyce (Trans, Chapter 12, "Through the Looking Glass") writes about Natasha Chart, former chair of the Women’s Liberation Front (WoLF) [bolding mine]:

"In 2015, Chart had been sacked from her job with a reproductive-rights campaign group for writing about her opposition to legalised prostitution and gender self-ID. None of the allies from her long history of feminist and environmental activism supported her; instead they ‘unfriended me, denounced me, described me as a physical threat to trans people, said I was genocidal’. Then, as one left-wing group after another adopted the self-ID cause, she watched those former allies campaign for male rapists and murderers to be allowed to transfer to women’s prisons on demand. ‘I did not come to politics to work with people who gave this little of a fuck about women prisoners, who everybody knows have overwhelmingly been victims of child-abuse, domestic violence and commercial sex exploitation,’ she says. ‘These women have no political representation, cannot vote, cannot talk to the press. And the people who should be speaking up for them have abandoned them. If my two options are talk to the [conservative Alliance Defending Freedom] ADF, or talk to somebody on the Left who calls me a fascist KKK bleep bleep bleep and hopes I die in a fire, is it even a choice?’ "

This. Every. Single. Word.

Aren’t there supposedly some inalienable truths that transcend ‘camps’ of politics or ideology?

What a fucking woman is should absolutely be one of them.

Yep. I personally think 'Posie Parker' now functions as a bit of a useful idiot - I cringe massively every time I see her airing on GB News/Fox/etc. We can do better than this!!

"We"? I've literally never seen you on this board before.

That's what gives these people the nark so much. She robs them of their ability to insult her

It seems some people don’t have a sarcasm meter. Mine was going off like a siren at that.

but if your intention is to paint Kellie Jay as some having some
kind of affiliation with nazis or the far right … yawn. That is such tired trope. Try something new for once.

🤣 yay. A day when both J. K. Rowling and Posie Parker reveal how they appear to have run out of anything resembling any kind of fuck, whatsoever.

Love it.

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Agreed. And I've just watched the clip, and whether Tucker Carlson is a nice man or (probably) not, he conducted a respectful interview in which KJK was able to make her points.

I'm contrasting it with the sneering, interrupting and contradicting from James O'Brien and various other right-on twats in UK media.

Surely she is being sarcastic and repeating what others had said about Carlson?