Stonewall is selling anti-terf training

WOW.

We all know which groups of protesters are likely to be more of a problem, of course, and it isn't women wearing tshirts.

Libraries in general are bastions of identity politics orthodoxy these days, it's really bad and is affecting services and collections, IMO. I work in the library sector, it's stifling, and many of the people are actually clueless that it's even the case. They are completely unable to see it. The few that disagree tend to stay quiet.

Good point, @Hasselhoffsheadband.

That's public money being spent to a charity which has been shown to have given poor information on all manner of issues.

To teach staff how to deal with uppity women.

1500 quid for a zoom session?!

Is PP on here? As a lurker?

You can email her via her online store email.

the right to shock, offend and disturb

The "right", or the "obligation", @WeeBisom?

Cos, I'm so sick of this shit now that a bit of NVR through the medium of cotton t shirts is quite appealing.

"You are working at the library and you are told by someone that a member of the public is walking around wearing a t shirt that is offensive to trans people. what do you do?"

Surely Stonewall must have told the attendees that the British Library is a public institution, and so has a duty to safeguard the convention rights under the human rights act. This means that the British Library cannot restrict people's free speech. And as Strasbourg has consistently repeated, article 10 does not just protect speech that is favourably received but also protects the right to shock, offend and disturb. In this situation, an offensive t-shirt is protected speech and so the Library should do nothing to restrict the visitor's speech as per their legal duties.

And they don't want people like me to see their lovely, lovely books and resources?

I try to avoid hyperbole, but, isn't that awfully like Afghanistan? Women not allowed to express themselves, gather, wear what they please, be educated or be gay?

Is PP on here? As a lurker?

I'd love to take my seditious saggy t shirt out for an airing on Sunday.

And then to the pub.

The British Library says that it does not ask for the sex of job applicants - only gender identity.

So they are not bothered at all about collecting data which allows them to see whether their recruitment processes are doing what they should to redress at the age-old barriers which women (by which I mean adult human females) face when trying to get work. They are not bothered about being able to have the data which tells them whether men are being paid more than women. And they think their £1500 should be spent on anti-Terf training not anti-misogyny training. The mind boggles.

I'd like a banner with the dictionary definition of Bigotry (noun), please, Posie - only put a strikethrough over Bigotry and 'replace' it with Stonewall..

Get Over It.

(Only bigots in history who actually manufactured their own victim category..).

I see they are open til 5pm on Sunday...it's Speaker's Corner on Sunday, isn't it?

I couldn't make it there on time this weekend, but I can meet up afterwards.

I'll bring an offensive t-shirt. It'll have grammatical errors, which are disturbing. A library upset by dictionary definitions probably needs a wee SSRI and a cuddle.

www.bl.uk/visit/opening-hours#

What would the British Library do if someone on the premises wore a t-shirt with a misogynistic message? My guess is that the answer is nothing. Some issues really are ignored.

I'm in! Tell Posie to get the T-shirts printed, stickers sticky and I'll get the kids to paint a lovely banner.

I'm so flipping sick of library and public service world being so woke. I'll happily test out the training.

I really enjoy the humour, e.g. women turning up in dinosaur suits to protest at the Lancet.

It's huge effective. I'm so narked with all this Fresh Hell that I think I'd rather enjoy seeing what the BL might do with a small crowd of offensive t shirts over offensive womanly bodies with their offensive womanly rights.

Good luck at calling me "offensive" mate. I know what WORIAD means. AND I can cite the Grainger case at you. AND Maya follows me on twitter. So, there.

Genuine laugh out loud at that slogan, Vivaria.

@SelfPortraitWithPterodactyl well, the boobage and bingo usually gets a wee cardigan to make it all a bit less, erm, much.

But, for THIS?

"Tits for tomes"

That's the most grifty grifting I've ever heard of. Surely no one can think that's value for money.

Oh this is soooo tempting. You, the British Library, want to throw out a group of feminists, who can not only point to actual dictionaries in your collection but have also literally just immersed themselves in a week of Forstater vs CGD and can quote the Equality Act verbatim? Huh. Good luck with that.

On a slightly different note, I'm confused - how do you normally wear your T-shirts, if not over your boobs? Have I been wearing mine wrong all this time?

I wonder what would actually happen if someone wore an AHF shirt in the BM?

Only one way to find out, I guess...whos in London? I'd come with a t-shirt over my boobs and bingo wings, just for the devilment.

I wonder what would actually happen if someone wore an AHF shirt in the BM?

You'd think they'd be a bit more careful with this discriminating against women shit, what with them due in court very soon, being sued by a lesbian for direct and indirect discrimination, but...

I'd almost love a court case centring on the wearing of an AHF t shirt.

I find it strange they never give examples.

Eg what is this offensive tshirt?

If they wrote someone wore a tshirt that had a dictionary definition of a woman.... In the British Library.... Home of the English language.... What would you do? It would sound crazy!