R4 Front Row - Eric Gill + JK Rowling

I will listen to this tomorrow to give it a fair chance.

However, in advance, I observe that putting Joanne Rowling on a level with Eric Gill would be very risky for the BBC.

Either you say to thousands of women that objecting to "people who menstruate" as a dehumanising term is so horrendous that it puts them on a par with a man who sexually abused his daughters and pets.

Or, you say that a man sexually abusing his daughters and pets is just as reasonable as women objecting to being called menstruators.

So I hope that did not happen.

The most obvious candidates for this type of discussion are Roman Polanski and Kevin Spacey.

www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jan/30/hollywood-reverence-child-rapist-roman-polanski-convicted-40-years-on-run

I heard that, and honestly wanted to give up.

A close family member is in a relationship with a TW, who is lovely, the epitome of why 'no one should be worried, there is no threat etc etc'

However. A man whom I usually enjoy listening to will grandly expose the invulnerability of his sex class acknowledge that asserting biological sex is as harmful as tolerating someone who fucks their daughters and dogs.

I listened to this but I wouldn’t characterise the discussion as others have in the above posts. JKR was differentiated in the discussion as being someone whose views were described as being ‘unpopular’ as opposite to R Kelly and Eric Gill whose actions were harmful to others. While I agree withJKR’s views and know many other women do too, it’s certainly true that in some circles her views can be fairly described as ‘unpopular’. It was not in my opinion unreasonable to mention JKR in discussion about moral judgments on the artist and separation of the artist from the art as this is an issue that leads to current heated discussion. I thought it was an interesting discussion and not unfair to JKR and in no way suggested she is transphobic which of course she is not, but it’s definitely fair to say that her quite reasonable views are unpopular with some. Also many who feel this way do struggle with how to separate the artist from her art.

It proved to me that some sections of the BBC haven’t left Stonewall after all...

It was bloody awful, the air was blue in my house and I’m definitely going to complain.

Looked at his Wellesley blog page, "primary research interests concern the ethics, politics and aesthetics of cultural heritage, art and the environment". If those are his primary research interests I'd love to see his broader range; I can't think of much you couldn't file under one or other of those headings. Not exactly laser focused, is it?

As OP says, it was taken as read that JKR's opinions were beyond the pale...and these are views most likely held by the vast vast majority of people on this planet.

It was a perfect illustration of the BBC's genderist bias.

Disappointing but not surprising going on previous form.

I was going to make a thread on this once I’d listened back as I was in the car and missed the beginning. I was fuming! I quite like Tom Sutcliffe usually but this was awful. He kept coming back to JKR repeatedly and to include her felt like he was saying she was comparable to Eric Gill and R Kelly. Also Daniel Radcliffe was quoted as if he was some kind of sage

Just listened, having read about it on Twitter,

Utterly one sided. Her views are apparently unpopular and difficult. Lots of people have problems with them.

The context was artists’ ‘transgressions’. RKelly, Eric Gill then straight to JKR’s ‘political’ views.

What about the vast majority of women who agree with her? Clearly we count for nothing. While the bandwagonning hordes who have not even read what she said, who shout ‘transphobe’ without a shred of evidence, get to see their view completely validated,

I hope they are flooded with complaints and forced to retract.

Oh god what bollocks.

She does.

She's obviously very busy writing best selling books etc but she really needs to get busy suing the shit out of bastards like this.

That’s disgraceful. And frankly it would serve them right if her lawyers pointed that out to them.

I heard this, it was a complete insult to JKR herself and to anyone with an ounce of intelligence.

They threw Patricia Highsmith in as well at one point because she "thought she was a psychopath"???

And yes they put JKR in the same league as Eric Gill, R Kelly and Hitler, for stating that humans can't change sex, sex matters and under certain circumstances women need single sex provision.

Fucking travesty.

Really? Actually of course I believe it. Definitely worth complaining about.