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Women are still not allowed to gather and speak

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DomesticatedZombie · 24/03/2022 20:39

twitter.com/AdamMaidment/status/1507080950856896522?s=20&t=qoogZvWOF8hmbMSL6w5L8w

'Protestors are now outside the Mechanics Institute where the Woman’s Place UK group are holding a conference on ‘single-sex provision in policy and law’.'

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DomesticatedZombie · 25/03/2022 21:54

Good. That's good to hear. I think the worst of it is the sense that the world looks on and just doesn't give a fuck. Because it's just a bunch of women, who cares.

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CharlieParley · 25/03/2022 21:49

@DomesticatedZombie

What I find chilling is this:

Women arranged a meeting to talk about FGM, domestic violence, and our legal rights to single sex spaces, as detailed in the Equality Act.

A mob found them, harassed them, intimidated them, chanted 'ACAB' and 'cis scum off our streets'.

And there is nothing in the papers. Nothing in the news. Bar that ridiculous drivel from MEN.

You would think that women being attacked for protesting would be shocking enough to merit reporting.

It might not be in the papers, but DH just got back from a business trip down South (somewhere near Durham) and him and the people he met with (all men) were discussing this WPUK Conference and the protest.

They were outraged that the crowd outside was trying to drown out the voice of a woman talking about FGM and its impact on women and girls. And that women in 2022 in the UK cannot meet to discuss women's rights without an aggressive crowd outside trying to stop them talking.

DH, who's heard me discuss this whole debate way too much, wasn't the one who brought it up though. The more these extremists behave in this manner, the louder they shout, the more people notice. And like those men at the meeting, many who see and hear this are disgusted at their actions.

BingBongSong · 25/03/2022 20:56

@secular111

Well a disastrous night for the TRA's/incels. For the Manchester Evening News though it could n't have got worse.

Maidment has now associated himself, the newspaper and its editor, Darren Thwaites, with support for FGM. That's a stain that the MEN is going to struggle to shake-off.

Just how on earth is the newspaper and its editor going to dig itself out of this hole?

I'm hoping Janice Turner writes something for The Times about it this week, to counter the bias in that MEN (how appropriate!) article. I watch those videos and all I see are angry, aggressive men trying to intimidate women into silence.
secular111 · 25/03/2022 15:53

Well a disastrous night for the TRA's/incels. For the Manchester Evening News though it could n't have got worse.

Maidment has now associated himself, the newspaper and its editor, Darren Thwaites, with support for FGM. That's a stain that the MEN is going to struggle to shake-off.

Just how on earth is the newspaper and its editor going to dig itself out of this hole?

Torunette · 25/03/2022 13:16

@DomesticatedZombie

Annette Wright is a member of the Management Board of the Mechanics Centre.
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PronounssheRa · 25/03/2022 13:10

@DomesticatedZombie

Annette Wright is a member of the Management Board of the Mechanics Centre.
She is also very involved in unions, PSC I think, the union for civil servants.
TheUsualShitshow · 25/03/2022 12:58

The plot thickens. No wonder she's locked her Twitter account.

ScreamingMeMe · 25/03/2022 12:55

@DomesticatedZombie

Annette Wright is a member of the Management Board of the Mechanics Centre.
Interesting!
DomesticatedZombie · 25/03/2022 12:19

Annette Wright is a member of the Management Board of the Mechanics Centre.

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tigger2022 · 25/03/2022 11:56

Honestly these hateful, misogynistic cowards make me so angry. If we are making them this scared and angry by applying our legal and democratic rights as females to meet and discuss our issues, we must be doing something right.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/03/2022 11:52

Which would be a terminological inexactitude. The responses I saw were robust but not abusive.

ScreamingMeMe · 25/03/2022 11:48

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

I'm not surprised Annette Wright has protected her Tweets. When I saw the exchange I screenshotted and posted upthread, the ratio was something to behold. Local council elections in a few weeks. I wonder what her majority is.
As surely as night follows day, she will say it is because she was "abused by transphobes".
Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/03/2022 11:43

I'm not surprised Annette Wright has protected her Tweets. When I saw the exchange I screenshotted and posted upthread, the ratio was something to behold. Local council elections in a few weeks. I wonder what her majority is.

DomesticatedZombie · 25/03/2022 11:30

Brilliant, neverly. The flipside to the awfulness is the amazingly brave, insightful and compassionate women you will meet.

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neverlyeverly · 25/03/2022 11:28

@DomesticatedZombie thank you. I already get the Sex Matters emails, but I'm just writing an email resigning from the Labour Party (been meaning to do this for weeks) and will redirect my subs to Sex Matters. Also working out if I can get to the Filia conference, and will move on to emailing councillors and MP next.

FemaleAndLearning · 25/03/2022 11:11

I want to go to more meetings now. Got a grassroot meeting next week. Going to Reformers Tree for picnic in the park with Posie end of June.

Is there an agenda yet for the Filia event on October, can't see anything on their web and early bird tickets end on 31 March, but don't know which days to go to.

DomesticatedZombie · 25/03/2022 11:08

neverly:

Talk to people.
Write to your MP. Write to councillors.
Sign up to 'Sex Matters'

There are sometimes consultations, but I think lobbying politicians is always helpful. Even if they don't listen or agree, they will eventually realise that this is not the tiny, niche issue they seem to think it is, and it's not going to go away if they try and ignore it.

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neverlyeverly · 25/03/2022 10:40

@pombear

Every time this happens, another woman will look at this and go, 'woah, no this doesn't sit right'.

So thank you Manchester 'trans rights' activists (still not sure what rights you're aiming for, given that in the UK yes, trans rights, like other people's rights are indeed human rights, and protected, other than extra rights that include 'let men who say they're women into women's spaces and places?)

You will have tipped another woman off the #bekind fence.

Well done.

Thank you.

Absolutely. I'm a lazy feminist who reads the books, Twitter, this board, etc, but does nothing beyond discussions with friends who are similarly inactive. Seeing these pictures just days after Lia Thomas and reading about the NHS rape that 'couldn't have happened', has made me feel ashamed not to be doing anything, so I'm now googling how to get involved (suggestions welcome).
EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 25/03/2022 10:38

On a slightly frivolous note FWR were planning to send snacks to support a meeting because we so strongly support everyone's right to talk even if they were denouncing us in what sounded like a 60minute hate/denunciation/misinterpretation.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3419981-Event-in-Bath-Transphobia-in-the-UK-confronting-anti-trans-fear-mongering?

DomesticatedZombie · 25/03/2022 10:30

What I find chilling is this:

Women arranged a meeting to talk about FGM, domestic violence, and our legal rights to single sex spaces, as detailed in the Equality Act.

A mob found them, harassed them, intimidated them, chanted 'ACAB' and 'cis scum off our streets'.

And there is nothing in the papers. Nothing in the news. Bar that ridiculous drivel from MEN.

You would think that women being attacked for protesting would be shocking enough to merit reporting.

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Torunette · 25/03/2022 10:29

the game has gone too far.

Yes, this is my feeling now.

FunnyTalks · 25/03/2022 10:23

I have a very low opinion of the police. I think there is too much evidence of racism and misogyny both currently and stretching back decades. Not just the attitudes of individual coppers but built into the structure of the organisation and the tactics used. Obviously Sarah Everard and child Q, but also see the racism around the Brixton riots in the 80s and see the undercover cops impregnating the women they were spying on.

(Of course not all cops are bastards. Not all men are like that. And not all males with trans identities are like males who are like that etc)

But crowds like this, intimidating women from gathering, speaking and sharing ideas - intimidating all women, including women further disadvantaged by being abuse survivors and refugees - do they think they are offering a better alternative to the police? At least in theory we can attempt to hold the police accountable for their racist misogynist bias. These activists answer only to their own religion of gender ideology and quite frankly, like zealots of any religion, they terrify me.

doublemonkey · 25/03/2022 10:22

[quote Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky]This guy from Manchester university is outside in the crowd & thinks men yelling at women is just brilliant

twitter.com/pdkmitchell/status/1507091047301758986?s=21[/quote]
What a gobshite.

Priapic to have a 'legitimate reason' to stand in the street shouting and intimidating women. 🤮

ScreamingMeMe · 25/03/2022 10:18

Highlight of the night was when it went quiet for a moment inside and we heard a male voice shout through a megaphone “the gender binary is a colonial construct!” And everyone inside hooted with laughter #WPUKManchester

twitter.com/boodleoops/status/1507110750590017537?s=20&t=0w2MuMmBgJvCG8z5tw_5Jg

Women are still not allowed to gather and speak
AlisonDonut · 25/03/2022 10:17

It like they can join the dots but would lose a few manly man points if they did, so they skirt around the edges pretending they can't join the dots.

Like when you put two magnets of the same polarity together and one shoots off in the other direction, whereas if one was just slightly moved around a tiny bit, they would hurtle towards each other.

This is wilful, not accidental.