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Women are still not allowed to gather and speak

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DomesticatedZombie · 24/03/2022 20:39

twitter.com/AdamMaidment/status/1507080950856896522?s=20&t=qoogZvWOF8hmbMSL6w5L8w

'Protestors are now outside the Mechanics Institute where the Woman’s Place UK group are holding a conference on ‘single-sex provision in policy and law’.'

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2022 11:05

I'm sure it was all for our own good.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 26/03/2022 10:56

Reminds me of the campaign for woman suffrage when women were considered too weak and feeble to vote but also when men threw stones at them and attempted to burn down their meeting rooms.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 26/03/2022 10:43

@NitroNine

Peter is an oral historian, working with the NHS.

I am slightly worried my views about him undertaking this role would be deleted, so I shall leave it here.

Am very glad attendees were able to leave safely; but how deeply disappointing that protests like this (ie aggressive, calculated to intimidate & utterly unpeaceful) are STILL being allowed to go ahead (& get out of hand) in this way. Police Services need to remember the basic underlying principle of “without fear or favour” & then start applying it to their work at all times.

Yet again, somebody who has signed up to Nolan and plausibly the NHS values.

Why are these breaches happening in plain sight and none of the people with oversight are addressing them?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2022 10:17

Plus the reporter said they'd asked a TRA representative to appear but they couldn't found anyone willing to speak.

But they did make a statement accusing WPUK of "calling the police to intimidate us" as if a threatening baying mob wasn't intimidating women and they should be allowed to do whatever they wanted.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2022 10:12

Threatening people with violence is already a crime. They don't need to use a "hate crime" uplift to prosecute for it. But strangely enough, they don't ever bother.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2022 10:10

Earlier, someone posted that one of the protestors said that WPUK's goal was to make it so that prejudice against trans people was no longer a hate crime

Is it? Not something I've heard at the 5 of their meetings I've been to. If you commit an actual crime, motivated by prejudice, that's what a hate crime is, eg when you beat someone up in the street for being gay or trans or whatever. What these people are trying to say is that they don't think people should be allowed to say that they don't believe in gender identity ideology.

WeeBisom · 26/03/2022 09:54

Earlier, someone posted that one of the protestors said that WPUK's goal was to make it so that prejudice against trans people was no longer a hate crime (or something along those lines.) And it got me thinking...currently in the UK, if you abuse a trans person then that may qualify as a hate crime. But if you abuse a woman, that's not a hate crime at all. The video from the LGBT alliance confernece, which shows a man calling the transwoman a pervert etc could arguably be said to be a crime. But when women are chanted at, heckled, abused, called TERFS etc that doesn't even qualify as criminal at all.

MiladyBerserko · 26/03/2022 09:31

Ova

Yes it occurred to me when I was writing it, that the Scottish government would probably blame the dead women and then pass laws to prevent 'transphobia'

Deliriumoftheendless · 26/03/2022 09:30

@abhanmor I hope you you feel better soon xx

Deliriumoftheendless · 26/03/2022 09:29

[quote Abhannmor]@Deliriumoftheendless sorry I get mixed up..also I have covid again 😅[/quote]
It is confusing when posters have similar names!

But Christinaxyz posts sensible, well thought out stuff and Cath- well, I can’t comment 😂

Saltovinegar · 26/03/2022 08:58

@DomesticatedZombie

Plus the reporter said they'd asked a TRA representative to appear but they couldn't found anyone willing to speak.

No surprise there.

OvaHere · 26/03/2022 08:53

@MiladyBerserko

I have thought for a long time that the government will only take action when a woman is killed for 'transphobia'
Even that's debatable.
MiladyBerserko · 26/03/2022 08:29

I have thought for a long time that the government will only take action when a woman is killed for 'transphobia'

Abhannmor · 26/03/2022 07:58

@Deliriumoftheendless sorry I get mixed up..also I have covid again 😅

Deliriumoftheendless · 26/03/2022 06:06

@Abhannmor

Indeed. Where is Christina , Permanent , et al? They are probably in another part of the forest clutching their pearls about JK being a Russian spy or something.
I think it’s Cath not Christina (although they have similar user names?)
ScreamingMeMe · 25/03/2022 23:30

WPUK say they have gained 800 new followers.

twitter.com/Womans_Place_UK/status/1507256084939034653?s=20&t=z0QXSsarN6gxo-GGGzS3QA

DomesticatedZombie · 25/03/2022 22:58

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0015qvs/north-west-tonight-evening-news-25032022

From 12.20

Emma Hilton interviewed

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DomesticatedZombie · 25/03/2022 22:56

twitter.com/Belstaffie/status/1507159162752487425

This is hate. This is extremism. This is dehumanisation, misogyny and bigotry.

The banality of evil, eh?

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unname · 25/03/2022 22:54

@yourhairiswinterfire

How strange that the posters who came to the LGBA thread to scorn women because 2 males had an argument have nothing to say about a mob of misogynists abusing women as they spoke about domestic violence, FGM, forced abortion, female refugees, etc.

I'm totally not surprised they aren't here condemning this mob chanting ''you're a bunch of wankers'' to female survivors of male violence, as on the other thread they claimed they 'hate seeing women being abused'.

So where's the outrage for these women? Wrong type, are they?

It’s seems they know what a woman is when it serves their purpose.
unname · 25/03/2022 22:51

[quote Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky]This guy from Manchester university is outside in the crowd & thinks men yelling at women is just brilliant

twitter.com/pdkmitchell/status/1507091047301758986?s=21[/quote]
Love reading the ratio this asshat is getting. Endless and brilliant.

“Mate, have a word with yourself.”

Abhannmor · 25/03/2022 22:37

Indeed. Where is Christina , Permanent , et al? They are probably in another part of the forest clutching their pearls about JK being a Russian spy or something.

yourhairiswinterfire · 25/03/2022 22:29

How strange that the posters who came to the LGBA thread to scorn women because 2 males had an argument have nothing to say about a mob of misogynists abusing women as they spoke about domestic violence, FGM, forced abortion, female refugees, etc.

I'm totally not surprised they aren't here condemning this mob chanting ''you're a bunch of wankers'' to female survivors of male violence, as on the other thread they claimed they 'hate seeing women being abused'.

So where's the outrage for these women? Wrong type, are they?

CharlieParley · 25/03/2022 22:19

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

And like those men at the meeting, many who see and hear this are disgusted at their actions.

What would it take to move them to take action? Talk to MPs? Respond to consultations? Complain to MEN? Talk to colleagues in the workplace and resist compelled actions and speech?

Hmm. I don't know about public actions. But these are CEOs, and thanks to a previous conversation about women's need for safety and privacy, one of them knew his HR woman was talking nonsense when she pushed him to ensure that all toilets should be mixed-sex at their newbuilt office. And then his CFO on a later business call decided to share this with my DH and double checked with him on the law (DH is not a lawyer but obviously got talked at about the law so much by me that it must have sunk in).

I was quite amused by the whole thing. And now there's going to be toilets appropriate for all while providing single-sex toilets for women.

CharlieParley · 25/03/2022 22:07

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I think this piece should be challenged. It's factually incorrect and the journalist was inciting trouble.
You're giving the writer too much credit. This isn't journalism. It is very badly written, lacking substance and structure and fails to meet even basic standards of journalistic writing. For instance, the writer either doesn't understand how to quote correctly or speaks an atrocious English himself.

When you include quotes that are incomplete or just plain stupid like those here, the journalist indicates that he or she can indeed formulate correct sentences by including sic, usually in square brackets. Let's the reader know that yes, there's a mistake in the quote, but that's what the journalist got told. It's not his fault if it's nonsense, in other words. Of course my news writing professor would have given me an earful about failing to elicit something decent and my editor back when I was working at a daily paper would have refused to print this regardlessofhis opinion on the matter. But hey ho. It's 2022 and this is what goes for journalism in the information age.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 25/03/2022 21:58

And like those men at the meeting, many who see and hear this are disgusted at their actions.

What would it take to move them to take action? Talk to MPs? Respond to consultations? Complain to MEN? Talk to colleagues in the workplace and resist compelled actions and speech?