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Spousal Exit Clause: Great news for trans widows

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TinselAngel · 24/03/2022 14:25

Great news for trans widows, and a vindication of the arguments made by Trans Widows Voices, against the lies and misrepresentations told about the "spousal veto"

Excerpt from the governments response to the Women and Equalities Commission report on reform of the GRA:

  1. A marriage or civil partnership is a contract between two individuals, the nature of which cannot be changed without the consent of both parties. For this reason, we considerit is equitable for the "spousal consent" requirement to remain in place.
  2. Spousal consent does not mean that a spouse can prevent their partner from securing a GRC. It is a safeguard for the non-transitioning spouse to decide whether they want their marriage or civil partnership to continue before their partner is granted a GRC. It is right that both parties should have an equal say in the future of their marriage or civilpartnership, given transition can fundamentally change its nature.
  3. More widely, we anticipate that the Divorce, Dissolution and Separation Act 2020, which comes into force later this year, will help to reduce conflict in such circumstances

Initial response from Trans Widows Voices here:

twitter.com/transwidows/status/1506989440975134726?s=21

Full report here:

committees.parliament.uk/publications/9415/documents/161226/default/

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unwashedanddazed · 24/03/2022 18:00

I hope that comes across in the way it's intendedBlush. I meant you've earned the right to shout it! Grin

unwashedanddazed · 24/03/2022 17:58

Tinsel you've earned that Fuck You and so have all the women you've supported. Congratulations!!

Sophoclesthefox · 24/03/2022 17:57

Congratulations, tinsel and all of the other transwidows who shared their stories, lobbied and made this happen 🥳

I had a LibDem who wanted my vote stand on the doorstep and berate me about the injustice of the “spousal veto” when we were talking about sex based rights and gender identity. Unfortunately, at the time, I didn’t understand enough about it to argue back, and I lost that point. But after reading more about it here, I reckon I could take her down on it now Grin

Bizarre that she felt lecturing me about my “bigotry” l would gain her my vote, but the Lib Dems really seem to be working all out not to get elected, so…

theemperorhasnoclothes · 24/03/2022 17:49

Congratulations Tinsel & other transwidows.

It's utterly bonkers you had to have this fight, but there you are. You did, and you won.

DialSquare · 24/03/2022 17:49

Well done Tinsel. Genuinely chuffed to hear this.

I've now got the Grandstand theme tune in my head.

littlbrowndog · 24/03/2022 17:48

Tinsel. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🍷🍷🍷🏅

socialworker222 · 24/03/2022 17:44

It's great work and an entirely reasonable and equal-rights-driven decision. It's exhausting fighting these battles and again Tinsel you deserve big thanks and congratulations.

TonyThreePies · 24/03/2022 17:07

I don't know why anyone would think it's a sad day when someone can't divorce their OH for any reason.

TonyThreePies · 24/03/2022 17:06

Bravo Tinsel Gin and Flowers

dolorsit · 24/03/2022 16:57

Congratulations, I'm pleased your hard work has paid off.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 24/03/2022 16:36

Amazing news. WineFlowers

TinselAngel · 24/03/2022 16:35

Today Matthew, I'm
Des Lynham.

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Thelnebriati · 24/03/2022 16:25

Fantastic news; and of course it's not grandstanding to celebrate the fact that women cannot be trapped in a Kafkaesque legal situation that they did not create, that could have very serious consequenses for them.

OatSprout · 24/03/2022 16:24

Brilliant news!

Noakes needs her head read. Forcing your spouse to accept your unilateral changes to the marriage contract can only be an abusive tactic. BT can’t even do it with broadband prices FFS.

ATeamAmy · 24/03/2022 16:17

[quote TinselAngel]Main offender

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/04/we-wont-have-truly-equal-marriage-until-we-get-rid-spousal-veto[/quote]
What a pile of steaming bobbins. All the contract stuff is rubbish. You can't unilaterally change the terms of a contract such that the thing being delivered (in this case, a heterosexual marriage lasting until one spouse dies) becomes something else completely (a same sex marriage), which the other party to the contract has not agreed to. It's nothing like the same as simply changing your name, where all other parts of the contract, including the item being delivered and the parties themselves (who are still the same people even after a name change) remain the same.

AlisonDonut · 24/03/2022 16:07

@Collaborate

It's all a bit unnecessary given no fault divorce is about to come in. Anyone married will be able to bring their marriage to an end by ticking a box on a form. It's grandstanding to make this an issue .
Do come back and celebrate that with us then, yeah?

Meanwhile...

99pronouns · 24/03/2022 16:07

Well done tinsel and thanksThanksStarThanks

ATeamAmy · 24/03/2022 16:06

I've now got the Grandstand theme tune in my head.

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SamphiretheStickerist · 24/03/2022 16:04

👏 👏

Too right. A Grandstanding Mexican Wave right at ya!

TinselAngel · 24/03/2022 16:03

It's not us who made it an issue either.

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ErrolTheDragon · 24/03/2022 15:56

@TinselAngel

Fuck them, I'm having a day of grandstanding, I've earned it.
Grin indeed you have. 👏 👏

If we could do you a virtual 'Mexican wave' we would.

MichelleScarn · 24/03/2022 15:56

@Collaborate

It's all a bit unnecessary given no fault divorce is about to come in. Anyone married will be able to bring their marriage to an end by ticking a box on a form. It's grandstanding to make this an issue .
Grandstanding?? These bloody amazing women like @TinselAngel at not the 'grandstanding (grandstandees?!Confused)
TinselAngel · 24/03/2022 15:52

Fuck them, I'm having a day of grandstanding, I've earned it.

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Artichokeleaves · 24/03/2022 15:52

Women are granted permission to not be unilaterally overruled by their partner and given a say in whether or not they want to be married, and this makes Noakes Sad?

There are so many people who really missed their century aren't there? A few centuries earlier and they could have ducking stools and scolds' bridles and witchfinders and been so much happier....