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"The answer Is Mumsnet, I believe"

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 24/03/2022 10:09

This is a good thread with contributions from Suzanne Moore and Hadley Freeman in response to 3 men who are perplexed by the level of "TERF representation in the UK elite".

It's a strong argument for the importance of MN's campaign about the Online Harms Bill. I hope Justine and MNHQ are proud.

Sarah Pedersen identified MN as a subaltern counterpublic in a recent paper (riffing off Nancy Fraser)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4478528-theyve-got-an-absolute-army-behind-them-womens-cooperative-constellation-in-Scotland

The term subaltern counterpublic was conceptualized by Nancy Fraser (1997) as

“parallel discursive arenas where members of subordinated social groups invent and circulate counterdiscourses, which in turn permit them to formulate oppositional interpretations of their identities, interests, and needs” (p. 81).

counterpublic.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/an-introduction-to-counterpublics/

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 24/03/2022 11:26

Fat balls are (deservedly) in Classics.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_classics/2017083-He-has-eaten-a-fat-ball

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Branleuse · 24/03/2022 11:17

@CatSpeakForDummies

I think it's because trans people already had equal rights in the UK, so the argument is very different than in the US where there was still open discrimination. In the US they are fighting for rights, in the UK we are discussing the fine print. Unfortunately, twitter groups all the social justice people together and detail is lost.
I agree with this. Its coming from a completely different culture, albeit the same language. I wouldnt want trans identifying people to have the same sort of shit in the uk as they do in the US, and they dont, so we are actually not debating the same things
Abhannmor · 24/03/2022 11:16

@doublemonkey

I started reading mumsnet because of fat balls.

There, I said it, I won't be shamed anymore!

Eek...think I misunderstood that to mean swollen testicles!
Thelnebriati · 24/03/2022 11:09

@doublemonkey

I started reading mumsnet because of fat balls.

There, I said it, I won't be shamed anymore!

Did your hubby eat a fat ball? Its ok, you can tell us.
TanteRose · 24/03/2022 10:49

I want that on a mug too! Brew

doublemonkey · 24/03/2022 10:46

I started reading mumsnet because of fat balls.

There, I said it, I won't be shamed anymore!

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 24/03/2022 10:45

@Artichokeleaves

So perplexed that UK women don't shut up, think what they're told by male people and instead want their own rights and say so. Confused

It's baffling, guys, isn't it? #theservicehumansarerevolting

I saw this recently which captured some current passing moods.
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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 24/03/2022 10:44

@Thelnebriati

''a co-ordination point''

Men slapping themselves on the forehead for allowing more than 3 women to meet.

That's us on MN, being allowed to gather in a virtual space and discuss things that allow us to organise and do things. No wonder Sarah Pedersen described it like this.

‘They've got an absolute army of women behind them’: The Formation of a Women's Cooperative Constellation in Contemporary Scotland

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Artichokeleaves · 24/03/2022 10:40

So perplexed that UK women don't shut up, think what they're told by male people and instead want their own rights and say so.

Confused

It's baffling, guys, isn't it? #theservicehumansarerevolting

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 24/03/2022 10:40

@CatSpeakForDummies

I think it's because trans people already had equal rights in the UK, so the argument is very different than in the US where there was still open discrimination. In the US they are fighting for rights, in the UK we are discussing the fine print. Unfortunately, twitter groups all the social justice people together and detail is lost.
This tends to be what's so irritating about discussions when people in the US have no understanding of the stark difference between the UK and US on these matters.

What's tends to be intriguing is that they have no understanding of the legislative debates and processes that have already happened here such as the debates in the House of Lords before GRA 2004.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4026964-Hansard-Record-Transgender-debate

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Thelnebriati · 24/03/2022 10:39

''a co-ordination point''

Men slapping themselves on the forehead for allowing more than 3 women to meet.

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 24/03/2022 10:36

@BraveBananaBadge

I want that on a t-shirt now Grin
@MNHQ is missing a T-shirt opportunity here.
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CatSpeakForDummies · 24/03/2022 10:30

I think it's because trans people already had equal rights in the UK, so the argument is very different than in the US where there was still open discrimination. In the US they are fighting for rights, in the UK we are discussing the fine print. Unfortunately, twitter groups all the social justice people together and detail is lost.

BraveBananaBadge · 24/03/2022 10:29

I want that on a t-shirt now Grin

StopStartStop · 24/03/2022 10:27

Yes to mumsnet. But we are also advantaged in having Kellie-Jay Keen, a passionate little firebrand of a woman and a great charismatic leader. She's fucking ace.

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