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School is encouraging gender neutral instead of ‘girls’

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Dinosaurhearmeroar · 23/03/2022 15:59

Hi everyone,

I work at an all girls school and the senior team has advised that we try to stick to gender neutral language when we can e.g Good morning everyone / year 8 etc.

The senior team said that if we use ‘girls’ without thinking and without malice intent then they will support us.

I purposefully go out of my way to say girls because that’s what they are. I will continue to say this. Am I being unreasonable here? I don’t want to get in hot water but I also don’t want to have to change my language for about 3 students in a school of over 1,000.

Any thoughts/ feedback welcome!

Thank you

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Dinosaurhearmeroar · 23/03/2022 17:56

I just know they won’t be - these conversations are not happening in boys’ schools.

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Dinosaurhearmeroar · 23/03/2022 17:56

Yes!!!!! And to top it off we celebrated international woman’s day (quite rightly) but are being encouraged to avoid ‘girls’. It’s such a load of nonsense and I’m the only one who thinks this 🤦‍♀️.

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Dinosaurhearmeroar · 23/03/2022 17:53

Thank you everyone - it’s very strange and I am not happy about it. To use the word “girls” accidentally is our only option as teachers ? Makes no sense - it is not an accident, they are all girls.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/03/2022 17:45

They had an incident when they accidentally ‘outed’ one of their students to their parents in the school report. Throughout the report they used he/him/his pronouns as the student identified as male at school, but parents had absolutely no idea.

Just for anyone not aware, the school has no authority to conceal a child's belief that they're the opposite sex from their parents. The Children Act is clear that schools work in partnership with parents and that only the courts can remove parental rights - not teachers in schools. Parents need to know this and start challenging schools doing this.
And this article highlights the catastrophic consequences in psychological terms of socially transitioning teenagers:

www.transgendertrend.com/teenager-says-theyre-transgender/

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/03/2022 16:44

@Justkeeppedaling

Surely "girls" encompasses "boys who want to be girls" anyway, so they would hardly object. (Although whether "boys who want to be girls" should be in an all girls' school anyway is a whole other point of discussion they shouldn't, no discussion)
It's the transboys and nonbinary pupils they'll be thinking of. There are far more of those around than transgirls.

Have started a matching thread to see if boys' schools are doing anything comparable.

Eightiesfan · 23/03/2022 16:43

This is a huge issues in school. I work in an all-boys school and always use the term ‘gentlemen’ or ‘boys’ when speaking to a class. We are also meant to be gender neutral as we have a handful of transitioning students in our sixth form. It’s really hard to change to refer to them using their year group, so ‘gentlemen’ would be changed to Sixth Form etc.

Our linked school which is all-girls, now has a section on registration forms for asking about the students preferred pronouns! They had an incident when they accidentally ‘outed’ one of their students to their parents in the school report. Throughout the report they used he/him/his pronouns as the student identified as male at school, but parents had absolutely no idea. So the pronouns in the form are the pronouns that will be used on any school correspondence regardless of the students choices.

VeryMuchFlaggingMinty · 23/03/2022 16:38

@Justkeeppedaling

Surely "girls" encompasses "boys who want to be girls" anyway, so they would hardly object. (Although whether "boys who want to be girls" should be in an all girls' school anyway is a whole other point of discussion they shouldn't, no discussion)
I think the issue is more girls who identify as boys or non-binary within an all girls setting.

I worked in a single sex school until last year and I am so glad to be out of it and avoiding all this crap.

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2022 16:34

Is it called 'x school for girls'?

TeenPlusCat · 23/03/2022 16:33

@Whatsnewpussyhat

So because a few girls claim to have a special identity the other 1000 have to pretend their sex doesn't exist? Fuck that.
Agree. And if parents want to support their daughter in being seen as their son instead then surely they should be moving them out of an all girls school.
Justkeeppedaling · 23/03/2022 16:32

Surely "girls" encompasses "boys who want to be girls" anyway, so they would hardly object.
(Although whether "boys who want to be girls" should be in an all girls' school anyway is a whole other point of discussion they shouldn't, no discussion)

Whatsnewpussyhat · 23/03/2022 16:29

So because a few girls claim to have a special identity the other 1000 have to pretend their sex doesn't exist?
Fuck that.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/03/2022 16:16

Teaching girls that there's something shameful the language that names them embodies hatred of women and girls. Of course there's another group in the world today who see girls receiving education as shameful and wrong:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/002e6a22-aa89-11ec-b5dd-c16e85f55725?shareToken=bf83801ca183274faa04e24a1408da75

IcakethereforeIam · 23/03/2022 16:10

Sproggs?

Seriouslymole · 23/03/2022 16:09

I was quite relieved when we got all the clobber through for my DD who heads to a girls' school this September, to see that throughout they referred to "Your daughter" and "girls". I would just carry on using it - it will never be malicious so they will always have to support you!

bonfireheart · 23/03/2022 16:08

Alot of the single sex schools where I live are called xxxx school for girls or xxxx girls school. Are they all going to change their names?

DomesticatedZombie · 23/03/2022 16:06

What is wrong with the word 'girls'?

They who must not be named. They who must be quiet, invisible, subservient, good and kind.

'girl power' had its own issues, but I think I preferred it to this horrible erasure.

What are they going to call the school if 'girls' is beyond the pale? A school for ... what?

Betty91 · 23/03/2022 16:05

Have the parents been told yet? This has happened in our girls' school and I found out via daughter. I complained and now trying to move my child out. Toilets were changed from 'girls' to 'students'

The school seems to be marketing themselves to parents who really want a single sex school without being able to stick their guns and get girls to be proud of being girls.

tabbycatstripy · 23/03/2022 16:03

Explain that you don't understand how the word 'girls' for female adolescents could ever carry malicious intent and you will use ordinary language as appropriate. You don't understand what they are trying to achieve by preventing you from using ordinary words and then promising you 'support' if you do so 'accidentally'. It more appears, from your position, like they are introducing a new disciplinary offence without consultation.

Whatalovelydaffodil · 23/03/2022 16:00

No of course you aren't being unreasonable!