Boris has nailed colours to mast

It’s not true to say voters would ignore other problems. Just because of this issue. Labour are in a safe position to say they would throw money at certain areas because they are not holding post pandemic purse strings .

The sums have to add up and it is not as easy as taxing the “rich “ or those you consider to be rich because many of them are directly or indirectly employers.

'The idea on this thread seems to be that if you really care about women, it's much more important to make sure they won't have to see a transwoman in a changing room, than that they can eat, heat their homes and feed their children.'

This is reductionist. It is very important to me that my elderly mother in a nursing home is able to insist on female care. It is very important to me that there are no 'non-binary' male adults sleeping in my daughter's school trip accommodation. It is very important to me that no female prisoner has to share showers or a cell with a male. It is very important to me that we collect accurate information about the world, to inform social policy. It is very important to me that our politicians are able to tell the difference between a male and a female. It is very important to me that male three year olds are not encouraged to 'tuck', and told they are girls. It is very important to me that nobody is criminalised for saying a male person is a man.

I could go on.

Lots of Tory policies impact women, i have to say in my work place, no one gives a 4X about trans, they worry about 3 women a week being murdered by their partners, sexual assaults going un investigated, misogyny, pay rates, women in caring roles getting £67 per week.

Exactly this.

Anyway, what we are seeing with Trans in womens sports, prisons, trans rapes, single sex spaces etc is happening under a Tory Govt...

Good point. Reminds me of some wag's summary of the Tory approach to the last election: "The only people you can trust to fix the things we've fucked up so badly for the last 10 years, is us".

once again Boris's words do not match the facts.

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you! But he's funny and doesn't comb his hair, like my favourite uncle!

How people think his words mean anything at all still is beyond me.

The idea on this thread seems to be that if you really care about women, it's much more important to make sure they won't have to see a transwoman in a changing room, than that they can eat, heat their homes and feed their children.

(Which is not for a minute to suggest the former is not important).

I'm pleased with what boris has said (for once!) but I can't vote Tory. Too many other issues.

I'm beginning to think MN / GC feminists should stand for election.

I don't think I could do it (health issues) but I would be willing to support a GC candidate in any way I can.

@whitecreambluejug I haven't rtft so not sure if anyone has already said, but your post about slavery reminded me of Blackadder. I can't find a clip but one of the manifestos included compulsory asparagus at breakfast, free corsets for the under 5s and the abolition of slavery

Incidentally, another one here who will no longer vote Labour

The problem is that Labour’s stance on the gender issue is an existential threat to women and children, including very vulnerable ones, immigrants, disabled women, etc, as posted upthread. What price government support for women if a man can be a woman on his say-so

Nice re write of history, Cameron got us Brexit and 2 further Tory PM's got us a shite deal, which also effects women too.

Lots of Tory policies impact women, i have to say in my work place, no one gives a 4X about trans, they worry about 3 women a week being murdered by their partners, sexual assaults going un investigated, misogyny, pay rates, women in caring roles getting £67 per week.

Anyway, what we are seeing with Trans in womens sports, prisons, trans rapes, single sex spaces etc is happening under a Tory Govt... once again Boris's words do not match the facts.

I will vote Labour because people get treated better under labour, especially women and children. The Tories are great at catching in to the zeitgeist of popular opinion- remember the Brexit strap lines anyone? ' Take back our borders' etc. But the Tories profoundly lack compassion. They always have been the enemy of the common people. I will vote Labour. I cannot not vote. I am offended to my core by Labour's ridiculous stance on gender. But. Labour is the better option for the nation as a whole.

It would be a really good thing if the Conservatives would start making some inroads into captured institutions.

However, I don't think the fact that it has happened can be blamed on them in a direct way. Neither the HoC nor the Pms office nor even ministers have direct control over many of the elements of institutions that were being worked upon by activists. Nor do they normally control the courts. A lot of it was done deliberately in a way that would prevent those kinds of people from being involved in the decision making or being accountable.

Where does that get you though @FrecklesMalone? I'm not a Tory fan but at least they seem to know what a woman is, which is an amazing feat these days!

As a feminist of course I can't vote Tory. They have destroyed and are destroying the lives of women. However I can't vote labour so will have to spoil my paper.

I also think most people are so shocked by partygate, the pandemic, and the unchecked poverty in this country that I wouldn’t be surprised if most people just wrote F U All on their ballot paper.

I voted Tory last time and i will again. Because if you think we have problems now with this issue don’t be surprised for the disastrous shit show that would happen if labour got in. No good clutching your pearls then when it’s too late and crying about it on here as if you didn't know or weren’t warned how bad they would be for women. It’ll be on you.

It feels like our political choices are shades of oligarchy or totalitarianism.

Yet again, we need an official way to dissent at the polls to be able to register our profound dissatisfaction with the systems and representatives that are available to us.

Unless he's actually going to do something like stop male rapists being recorded as women and stop them going into women's prisons, I'll not be voting for him just like I always don't. He's a fucking prick he's not our ally just because he's got the front to say the 'controversial' things he thinks. He's done that all his life, it's his whole shtick.

The polls are notoriously unreliable. None of them predicted anything close to the 2019 landslide. The May elections will indicate which way the wind’s really blowing.