Boris has nailed colours to mast

I cringe looking back at the smug Guardian-reader I was.

Me too. I'm embarrassed by the arrogance and righteousness of my 2015 self. This issue and several others have been a real education for me. What I see now is the left blaming the right for stoking the culture wars when in fact the right are resisting a cultural revolution the left insist we need. I'm worried the backlash will take us into right wing extremism and I mean genuine extremism not the kind of mainstream right wing views which too many on the left label fascist as a way of shaming anyone who votes for a mainstream right leaning party.

Funnily enough I question all the time, it's how you learn and develop, do you?

It reminds me of the way children follow fads and friendships in primary school.
You know, sort of all follow the same thing regardless of personal taste. If so and so falls out with whatshisface no one is allowed to talk to him.

Can't work out if it's more primal behaviour so obviously children have less of a filter, or a development thing or what. Children tend to grow out of it.

As I said, I would have once fell prey to that kind of 'logic' but I think a little corner of yourself must go quietly away and whirr on your own conclusions. You just need to be a bit brave to examine them.

'Anyone whose opinion about an issue is determined by who else agrees with it is a weak-minded fool.'

This. There is nobody in the world I admire so much that their opinion alone makes up my mind. Who are these heroes? Surely no-one can seriously say to themselves, 'I don't know why I think this, but Anneliese Dodds said it so it must be true.'

Sorry, that's not the reverse, it's the same

For the reverse - if there's a politician you really like who's done great things, but then they support something you strongly disagree with, do you start supporting that thing? Presumably not.

So you find yourself on the same side as the daily fail and Boris Johnson and that doesn’t make you question your stance?

That is such an asinine argument. There's no 'side'. There are issues. Anyone whose opinion about an issue is determined by who else agrees with it is a weak-minded fool. If a politician you generally dislike or disagree with supports a cause that's important to you, do you decide the cause must be bad? No of course not. So why would you expect people to do the same in reverse?

For me, this is definitely a reason to vote Tory.

I'll vote Tory on the back of this.

I have no respect whatsoever for those who have been sucked into parroting this ideology whether through cowardice or stupidity. I cannot bring myself to actually vote for such people to actually be in charge. It's impossible.

'So you find yourself on the same side as the daily fail and Boris Johnson and that doesn’t make you question your stance?

Yikes on all the bikes'

This is completely irrational. The Daily Mail reports stuff. Sometimes I agree with its editorial positions and sometimes I don't. Johnson has political positions and sometimes I agree with them and sometimes I don't.

People who habitually say 'yikes', however, I hardly ever agree with.

Yes, very telling @Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky how different the tone is.
Read the room(or thread, as it were)

And also read on here the other day that the Mail was instrumental in pursuing justice for Stephen Lawrence.

So not all bad.

But yes, that's exactly the kind of knee jerk alignment/guilt by association thing I'm avoiding these days. So a nice illustration.

TRA. - ffs!!

Until 5 minutes ago every knew what a fucking women was.

Funny isn’t it how TEA are always coming here ti scold women for being meeeeeean instead of going on mens message boards to scold them for transphobic & violent innit

Honestly, I am always questioning. I am not closing my mind off.

But being on the same side as Boris is not the crime of the century.

Not when the other side champions the rights of rapists.

But as I said, I'm done with identity politics. I accept that I will agree with some people on some things and others on others. And I need to accept that it's healthy and natural not to agree with everyone on everything. That's just a way to shut off communication and a possible middle way.

And the middle way I'd like to pursue is ensure trans people are not discriminated against in employment, health etc. But as trans people.

Not a subset of women. Their own tailored and dignified path.

Oh noes! How awful! Oh waily, waily, waily!

So you find yourself on the same side as the daily fail and Boris Johnson and that doesn’t make you question your stance?

Yikes on all the bikes

Sorry, one more thing. (Thread hog. Pink oink)

I think the question I needed to ask myself was this. If Labour were erasing the words, spaces, and opportunities of any other minority, would I still vote for them?

My honest answer was no. So I let this go on so long because of my own internal misogyny. Now I've realise that it's time to stand up for myself, women and girls.

I have to question as well the tactic of trying to get labour to listen rather than voting against them.
I mean, it hasn't worked, has it, it's not like they haven't had the opportunity to hear the concerns. In some cases they are actually shutting down women raising their voices.

So why are we continuing to support them?

If Labour did this with any other area you felt strongly about, schools, the NHS whatever, would you still be going along with it and voting them in the vain hope they'd listen once in power?

They're not even in power and, as someone said upthread have doubled down with quite an extremist stance.

If they get it their stance won't become more moderate. It will become more extreme. They only advertise the stuff they think is a vote winner. When they get in then they make the changes they want to that are less vote swingers.

I don't want to find out what extreme things they're holding back.
No thank you.

I think “I agree with Boris” will soon become the new “I agree with Nick”
If I was Tory merch HQ, I’d get working on the t shirts and mugs immediately

This was me ! I mailed the Tory party and Boris on Monday - sent them the link to the cass report and the hospital coverage article in the telegraph and asked they why it was happening during a Tory government.

Gonna look bad in two years when the rapes and the de transitioner start their legal actions against the state.

Mail Boris and The Tories too!
You can mail Labour but I haven’t got a reply in five years on the subject, so good luck with that.

Remember women are acceptable collateral damage for the gender identity movement. They do not care about biological women.