Boris has nailed colours to mast

It’s a shame as I had to contact my LD mp yesterday about a point of law and she was very helpful and responsive. I agree with her on most things but she is passionately TWAW and actively campaigns for self id. It’s so frustrating.

We had LDs knocking yesterday. I explained that although I know these are local elections, I could never vote for a party that can't (won't?) define "woman" and that I am never going to support self-ID because of what will happen as a result.

I added that I'm very, very worried about young children being taught all the kinds of things that appear to have necessitated the Cass Review. Or exposed to those things online.

He didn't want to ask for more detail but looked like he knew what I was talking about and left.

Imho voting for an alternative party is a wasted vote. Also you'd have to have a candidate running in your area and many areas won't.
Voting Conservative sends a clearer message. There will be actual clear consequences for labour that are obvious in a way ballot spoiling or fringe voting don't have.
However, everyone should obviously vote using their own critical thinking skills and others may think differently, but that's just my two pennies worth.

I'll be voting conservative, as will my daughter.

God help us if labour wins the next election.

We're not completely politically homeless, sdp.org.uk/policies/transgender-and-biological-sex-based-rights/

Maybe instead of spoiling the ballot or voting for a man that calls us fickle. We could vote for parties like these? If all women voted for alternatives then it might give a loud message even if those parties can't win. Voting for parties that are telling the truth about biological sex in their manifestos helps to amplify our voices, if parties like these become popular they will be invited to speak more often.

Well as it stands I don’t trust any of them! Which is awkward when it comes to voting!

You can trust whoever you like @MsTSwift. As can I.

Yes but how can we trust supposedly intelligent adults who parrot a lie they know is a delusion and that directly harms womens interests?

My views are based on over 40 years of voting and experience of different governments. I’d have voted for John Major’s government quite happily, it had integrity and maturity. This iteration of the Tories routinely lies, cheats, gives our money to its mates, breaks manifesto promises and would say anything if it thought there was a vote in it. Why on earth would I trust it?

I wouldn’t believe a Tory if they told me the earth was round.

Then I would suggest you are as dogmatic in your views as those who chant TWAW.

As far as I’m concerned Starmer and his bunch of stammering prats have made their position crystal clear in their failure to be able to define a woman.

I’m a one issue voter now. If you won’t recognise and protect my sex then the rest of your manifesto is irrelevant. So Labour can just stfu.

But the Tories don't actually give a shit about women and children, they are just saying the right things to get your vote.

Saying the right things to get your vote - well yes, that's what political parties do if they have any sense - listen to the electorate and create policies which the people want. So why do Labour persist in sticking to policies that the people obviously don't want? They are either just stupid and incompetent or they don't give a shiny shit what the people want. In either case they are not getting my vote.

People are free to vote as they wish of course for their own reasons, but this is a fundamental issue for me.

It helps that they know what women and children are, though.

They don't give a shit about that. They will change their minds tomorrow if they perceive that it's a vote-winner.

It helps that they know what women and children are, though

Only when it comes to fucking them over. Or, in Johnson’s case and women, just fucking them.

I'm in a Tory safe seat so I'm planning to spoil any ballot paper with woman adult human female

But the Tories don't actually give a shit about women and children, they are just saying the right things to get your vote.

I think Liz Truss is playing a blinder, supported by other good Tory women and the Baroness.

Holding onto the Equalities portfolio despite taking on one of the major offices of state. Getting Kemi Badenoch in as her deputy, having Kishwer Falkner appointed as Chair of the EHRC, getting Jackie Doyle-Price appointed to the Women and Equalities Committee, encouraging Government Departments not to use Stonewall. All without any great fuss. Now, finally, it looks as if Boris is off the fence, possibly on the advice from the Australian political guru he recently brought over.

What strikes me is that all these women are solid. Good CVs and a reasonable amount of common sense. Rosie Duffield is similar. But what about other Labour and LibDem women. Agree with their politics of not, I am not sure I would trust them to walk my dog, let alone run the country.

A pp made a good point re Starmer willing to look past biological reality - to what end I’m not sure but it’s not for women.

I wouldn’t believe a Tory if they told me the earth was round.

Really, none of them?

Only the Tories are standing up for freedom of speech

Mmm, I think there are some genuinely concerned about freedom, but most are standing up for getting one over on Labour. But, for women, even a half-hearted ally is better than no ally at all.