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Boris has nailed colours to mast

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Ridcully82 · 23/03/2022 12:41

On gender transition at PMQs:" biology overwhelmingly important", preceded by urging respect for those feeling they need to transition. Sounded calm, respectful,and kinda where we were on course before the TRA actions.

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ZaraSizeMedium · 23/03/2022 13:20

Thank you Boris.

I live in a Labour stronghold, as the saying goes “you could pin a red rosette on a donkey and it’d get voted in here” so my X won’t make a difference either way, but I’m done with Labour and will be spoiling my ballot with some Woman=Adult Human Female stickers.

Tarne · 23/03/2022 13:20

I cannot believe the audacity of some men who think that because they like to dress up in glamorous fancy dress, wear make up and heels that all this makes them a woman!! It makes them a transwoman and good luck to them!

They should be happy with that category, there should be trans categories in the Olympics, Commonwealth games, national and school sporting activities and we can all celebrate trans athletes!

bellinisurge · 23/03/2022 13:18

If we don't vote Labour that's on them

Joystir59 · 23/03/2022 13:17

If we don't vote Labour we have the Tories again. That's much more shit for many more people who are already struggling. If you abstain, the Tories win, if you spoil your ballot paper the Tories win, if you vote for Libdem, Green, SNP, Women's Equality, any of the minority parties, the Tories win. Vote Labour and get rid. We can work with labour to change their batshitery on gender.

bellinisurge · 23/03/2022 13:17

"For me and many others all of that trumps this one issue, as it should."
This one issue is an existential threat to women. Which is why the scumbag Tories will use it. Been warning about this since Starmer took over. I had high hopes

tabbycatstripy · 23/03/2022 13:16

BurnDown:

I'm a mother of girls. I see the importance of all those issues, but if you don't see how the promotion of childhood transition to young gay, autistic or otherwise distressed females in a grotesquely sexist culture might conceivably trump some of them in the minds of any particular voter, I would ask whether you have really considered my concern as a mother.

Corruption and dishonesty are not limited to the Tory party. It is corrupt and dishonest to tell me to ignore the evidence of my eyes.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/03/2022 13:15

Just watching the BBC reporting on how girls are still being denied a return to school in Afghanistan. I wonder how the Labour party reckons the Taliban knows who to target. Sad

They're such fucking idiots.

Eve · 23/03/2022 13:15

@MsTSwift

What do we do?! I surely can’t vote Tory but they are the only ones showing sense on this.
I think I may spoil my vote !

..though my safe seat MP is a minster who has appeared on here recently, I wonder how their tune will change soon?

VelvetChairGirl · 23/03/2022 13:15

I still hate him, he is a repugnant, thick, lying piece of shit, this has not increased my view of him at all, it has only made me view starmer with even more contempt which I guess is a win for Johnson, I wish it wasnt.

we are completely fucked as voters, I wont vote for either party for different reasons.

bellinisurge · 23/03/2022 13:13

I won't vote Tory. Until Corbyn I was a lifelong Labour voter (first vote in 1987). But I won't vote Labour unless they drop this shit

BurnDownTheDiscoHangTheDJ · 23/03/2022 13:12

Honestly, I do not get this. I can see this side of the argument on the definition of a woman but this government are:

  • corrupt and corruptible,

-lead by a man who lies like most of us breathe,

-don’t want to feed hungry children in poverty during the school holidays,

-have suggested that Ukrainian refugees fleeing their war-torn country come here on the condition that they pick fruit

-and are pretending that Covid doesn’t exist now just to save the arse of their Liar in Chief (and steam rolling us all into another bad winter with the potential for deaths rising and the potential of education being disrupted).

For me and many others all of that trumps this one issue, as it should.

RoseslnTheHospital · 23/03/2022 13:10

I mean, if Johnson can get this said in a clear and easily understood way then the Lib Dems , Labour, Greens etc are sorely letting themselves down.

I just cannot and will not vote Conservative, because apart from this, they represent everything that I don't agree with. But then, that leaves me with no party to vote for. The best I can hope for is a rational independent, but that doesn't typically happen in my constituency.

Ridcully82 · 23/03/2022 13:06

@bellinisurge

Tories want to separate themselves out from Labour on this. It will be their last desperate gasp of winning votes. And Labour shouldn't fall for it and should, instead, make it clear that sex is immutable, that TW are TW and that, if you are offering support for trans people, it should be in addition to support for women and not at the expense of women.
They've had that chance,and they have repeatedly refused it (Stamar, Lammy,Dodds,Cooper) they've shown they are either idiots or cowards. My feeling is more the latter
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tabbycatstripy · 23/03/2022 13:06

'No one wants to vote tories…but they will for their sisters, daughters, nieces etc.'

I do now. I'm mortified by the sheer idiocy on display from the Labour Party. I was a member. Now I'm completely against them.

oldwomanwhoruns · 23/03/2022 13:05

Our Boris seems (to me) to still be a bit sitting-on-the-fence with this one.

Somehow we have to get him to realise that fence-sitting is not an option. You are either with truth, and reality, or you go down the route of fantasy and transitioning children

There is no 'middle way'.

But he does seem to have noticed the fallout from the Labour party's party line of TWAW.

ImAvingOops · 23/03/2022 13:05

They'll get my vote for this. It's the hill I'm willing to die on - if the Labour Party etc aren't willing to define what a woman is then they can't be trusted to protect us. If they are so weak that they will allow TRA to pressure them into this ridiculous stance where they deny biological facts, what else will they bend on?

Labour etc have proven themselves to be utterly spineless. I'm not defending the Tories but in a time where no party represents me, at least this one recognises what I am!

SilverCatStripes · 23/03/2022 13:04

I am a typical floating voter - grew up in a Labour stronghold and usually voted Lib Dem as a bit of protest vote and I used to like what the Lib Dems stood for.

I didn’t vote for any party in the last GE, but I actually don’t think it’s enough now to simply not vote Lib Dem/Labour etc, and I will vote Tory in the next GE based on this issue.

HeDidWhattt · 23/03/2022 13:04

Tories are going to take Labour to the cleaners…..sad…and a shame, but true.

No one wants to vote tories…but they will for their sisters, daughters, nieces etc.

I can see a landslide coming in Sad

bellinisurge · 23/03/2022 13:03

I will not vote Labour

JoodyBlue · 23/03/2022 13:03

I don't want to get the Tories out - they are the only party holding the line for women. I say that as a person who has never voted Tory before.

bellinisurge · 23/03/2022 13:00

Tories want to separate themselves out from Labour on this. It will be their last desperate gasp of winning votes. And Labour shouldn't fall for it and should, instead, make it clear that sex is immutable, that TW are TW and that, if you are offering support for trans people, it should be in addition to support for women and not at the expense of women.

Joystir59 · 23/03/2022 13:00

I will have to vote Labour as it's the only way to get the Tories out. Even though the Labour party are betraying me on this issue.

CrossPurposes · 23/03/2022 12:56

@ResisterRex

Also in the Graun live blog:

www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/mar/23/spring-statement-2022-rishi-sunak-poorest-families-likely-to-be-worst-hit-by-impact-of-ukraine-war-live-updates

Angela Richardson (Con) asks if the PM supports research into why so many girls are experiencing gender distress.
Johnson says he would be happy to have a meeting on this. MPs realise this issue requires sensitivity, tact and care. If people want to make a transition, they should be treated with maximum generosity, he says.
But he says, when it comes to distinguishing between a man and a woman, “the basic facts of biology remain overwhelmingly important”.

Boris also committed to meet her and other MPs, I think

He makes more sense than the former Director of Public Prosecutions. This is ridiculous.
ChaToilLeam · 23/03/2022 12:54

All well and good, but they won’t get my vote. They might know what a woman is but there are many reasons not to vote Tory. I’m politically homeless at present.

TonyThreePies · 23/03/2022 12:54

@MsTSwift

What do we do?! I surely can’t vote Tory but they are the only ones showing sense on this.
Me too. I never thought I'd see the day that I agreed with something that mop-headed buffoon said Confused
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