Boris has nailed colours to mast

I think we went through such a long period of peace and relative prosperity that we forgot being an MP required more than being clever. It also needs a spine and a dictionary.

@Iwassonaive yes I did miss that, and I shouldn't have because I've ploughed a small fortune into those cases! It's like another tax.

'Every single woman MP in the Labour Party should have supported Rosie Duffield. The fact they did not shows they are not up to the job of being MPs.'

Indeed. I cringe when I hear them obfuscating, lying and cowering.

The worry about a vote for Labour is that they will treat it as endorsement of their policy on this issue

I will find it very very hard to forgive the Labour party over this utter fiasco. Lie after lie, gaslighting at every opportunity. I would rather have a party that I disagree with over almost everything, and I do with the Tories, and that party does not explicitly try to tell me that up is down and insist I do the same with my kids.

I would give anything to get the repellent joke of a PM and his cronies out of office - except my sex-based rights.

If anyone wants to know what Johnson really thinks of women then read this

We know what Boris really thinks. We know who he is. That is not the point.

Labour's issue is that even knowing who Boris is people will still vote for the Conservatives over a united Labour position that cannot and will not say what a woman is. That has MPs saying humans can change sex. That has women MPs telling women to 'pipe down' and accept trans ideology.

Johnson doesn't believe this position any more than he believes anything else he says. It's just that enough of us have made it politically expedient for him to take this line.

I detest the man but on this, I'm relieved and hopeful.

He needs to join the dots now then. If biology is overhelmingly important then that applies in prisons, hospitals, schools, sports and he is in a position to make the lines clearer and to enforce safeguarding.

He needs to communicate with the DfE and ensure their guidance on PSHE is clear, non contradictory and supports schools to resist the compulsion to indoctrinate gender ideology...

Corruption and dishonesty are not limited to the Tory party. It is corrupt and dishonest to tell me to ignore the evidence of my eyes.

Exactly. Also this isn't just one issue as some suggest. To say so is demeaning and reductive. It goes through all of our everyday lives, all the time.

Labour's fucked it so far as I'm concerned. They could have - should have - been a functioning opposition. They should have been asking about:

• safety of women prisoners
• quality of evidence base for self-ID
• for a review such as Cass
• for good quality, impartial schools resources
• protection of women's sports
• more money based on evidence of need for LGBT refuges and rape crisis services
• protection of a free press, one not forced to lie about salient facts in crime reporting

So the list goes on.

What did they choose to do? Throw Duffield under the bus, ignore us, tell us to shut up, arse about with "this woman votes" luxury beliefs garbage.

It was up to (mostly) women to take time out of our lives to write to our MPs about these things. To do the research that civil servants and MPs' assistants should have been doing. You'd think the opposition would've been interested but they weren't. They told us "it never comes up". Then to be kiiiind / "both sides". Ignoring the origins of the rape and death threats.

They've betrayed women and children. No way will I vote Labour after this.

If anyone wants to know what Johnson really thinks of women then read this.
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/06/tottymeter-and-girly-swots-how-johnson-shows-women-respect

'Vote Labour and get rid. We can work with labour to change their batshitery on gender.'

You can't work with people who are prepared to sacrifice reality on the altar of whatever this is. They are zealots.

labour to change their batshitery on gender.

I admire your optimism but i think it's misplaced.
Women have been trying to work with Labour on this for years, Labour just aren't listening, and often refuse to even meet with women's groups. They rejected Karen Ingala Smiths application to join as a member while elevating people like Lily madigan.

^^agreed Labour are a lost cause

Vote Labour and get rid. We can work with labour to change their batshitery on gender.

I admire your optimism but i think it's misplaced.
Women have been trying to work with Labour on this for years, Labour just aren't listening, and often refuse to even meet with women's groups. They rejected Karen Ingala Smiths application to join as a member while elevating people like Lily madigan.

The thing is, Labour knows full well what a woman is. They are just too chicken shit to say. I don't want to vote for a party where the leaders are too weak to speak the truth. JKR had it right when she said Cooper needs a dictionary and a spine.

Is Boris a liar? Yes, we know this.

Are Labour MPs, including their front bench liars when they say that biological sex doesn't exist, that humans can change sex and that women (and men) who call this out are hateful bigots?

In my opinion yes. Liars.

Whether through fear, or lack of integrity I don't care. Liars.

Otherwise I have to summise they are stupid. Too stupid to be trusted with my vote.

Women and girls make up 50% of our population. All laws and policy impact their lives. If politicians can't even get the first, most basic, recognition of our right to be recognised by our sex, all other policies and laws start to crumble or be meaningless.

I don't yet know who I will vote for at the next election, but it won't be Labour.

Why is it more likely that we can persuade labour to understand biology than we can persuade the tories to have a greater awareness of poverty ?

If Labour listened to women they’d have more of a chance to win votes.