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Boris has nailed colours to mast

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Ridcully82 · 23/03/2022 12:41

On gender transition at PMQs:" biology overwhelmingly important", preceded by urging respect for those feeling they need to transition. Sounded calm, respectful,and kinda where we were on course before the TRA actions.

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SamphiretheStickerist · 23/03/2022 14:10

@tabbycatstripy

'No one wants to vote tories…but they will for their sisters, daughters, nieces etc.'

I do now. I'm mortified by the sheer idiocy on display from the Labour Party. I was a member. Now I'm completely against them.

Me too!

I have posted, to much sneering, that BJ has said this, versions of this, lots and lots of times before. This is the clearest he has said it in one go.

I remain politically homeless. I have no local MP worth their salt. I can't vote Labour or Tory. No major party really.

I have said and posted for years that politics in the UK is fucked. We have almost no proper politicians, just Careerist Politickos and they all merge into one unpleasant ball of "No Thank You!". And here we are.

Labour with little grasp of, well, just about anything
Tories with actual polices and common sense - who the hell knew that ever would be said by me? I may not agree with their policies, but their common sense on this one matter? Their willingness to buck the Woke Trend? That's a revelation!

CanIPleaseHaveOne · 23/03/2022 14:08

*bias

Waitwhat23 · 23/03/2022 14:07

@crumpet

The worry about a vote for Labour is that they will treat it as endorsement of their policy on this issue
That's how Nicola Sturgeon has taken the votes which were cast for the SNP at the last election. A vote for the SNP was a vote for self ID apparently, despite this not being mentioned on any election publicity and the vast majority of the Scottish general public not knowing or understanding the impact of self id.

"Nicola Sturgeon 'wrong' to say SNP was elected on self-ID gender policy - Scottish Daily Express" www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-wrong-say-snp-25929807.amp

"Nicola Sturgeon 'facing revolt' over gender bill as rebels seek free vote | HeraldScotland" www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19955525.nicola-sturgeon-facing-revolt-gender-bill-rebels-seek-free-vote/

A vote for Labour will be taken as an endorsement of all this nonsense. Your views will be said to be 'not valid', as have ours, and so it will continue.

PinkGinBigGrin · 23/03/2022 14:07

Vote Labour and get rid. We can work with labour to change their batshitery on gender.

That is an extremely risky strategy with a high chance of failure.

Il be voting Tory specifically to keep labour out.

VestofAbsurdity · 23/03/2022 14:06

We can work with labour to change their batshitery on gender.

How? They've told women who don't believe TWAW not to vote for them, if you do vote for them then they will take it as a ringing endorsement of their policy re self-id.

bellinisurge · 23/03/2022 14:04

I imagine he did a weighing up exercise like he did with Brexit. Which one is Labour vulnerable on? It is literally the only vote saver they have.
And I still won't vote Labour. Labour only has a chance if they get people in large numbers to actively vote for them. And they won't get that because enough women will be put off.

Papayamya · 23/03/2022 14:04

@Ncwinc

Boris would nail anything. He’ll also say anything if it’ll get him votes.
I don't care if he's just saying it as long as they stick to it.
Papayamya · 23/03/2022 14:03

Of ffs I wish it has been Labour saying this. Is this one of the first logical, sensible and based in science thing he's ever said?

flyingbuttress43 · 23/03/2022 14:02

Labour won't change its mind on this issue. They are completely captured by the woke agenda.

OK - I understand the hatred for Tories that many (most?) posters on this thread have but to me, voting Labour because you hate the Tories more than you don't like Labour's stance on Trans is a betrayal of women.

Ncwinc · 23/03/2022 13:59

Boris would nail anything. He’ll also say anything if it’ll get him votes.

Ionlydomassiveones · 23/03/2022 13:58

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ImAvingOops · 23/03/2022 13:58

Very restrained of you tabby Smile
If there's one thing I'd guarantee Boris does know, it's what a woman is!

bellinisurge · 23/03/2022 13:57

If Labour win, they will argue that they have an endorsement for this batshittery. Same as the SNP does. And it's wrong.
Self ID was snuck into Irish law at the same time as the very important and positive law on equal marriage. It does NOT have majority support in Ireland.

CanIPleaseHaveOne · 23/03/2022 13:55

@Fluffymule

Is Boris a liar? Yes, we know this.

Are Labour MPs, including their front bench liars when they say that biological sex doesn't exist, that humans can change sex and that women (and men) who call this out are hateful bigots?

In my opinion yes. Liars.

Whether through fear, or lack of integrity I don't care. Liars.

Otherwise I have to summise they are stupid. Too stupid to be trusted with my vote.

Women and girls make up 50% of our population. All laws and policy impact their lives. If politicians can't even get the first, most basic, recognition of our right to be recognised by our sex, all other policies and laws start to crumble or be meaningless.

I don't yet know who I will vote for at the next election, but it won't be Labour.

Exactly
CanIPleaseHaveOne · 23/03/2022 13:53

@Joystir59

If we don't vote Labour we have the Tories again. That's much more shit for many more people who are already struggling. If you abstain, the Tories win, if you spoil your ballot paper the Tories win, if you vote for Libdem, Green, SNP, Women's Equality, any of the minority parties, the Tories win. Vote Labour and get rid. We can work with labour to change their batshitery on gender.
I wish it were so Joystir. Seems that voting for Labour will confirm their biase rather than encourage a rethink.
Oldh · 23/03/2022 13:53

Charlotte Nichols (Lab) said it is lazy transphobia to criticise Lia Thomas - add that to Keir Stamer's blathering

MyLittlePhonyPony · 23/03/2022 13:53

I'm do with identity politics. If labour get in they have committed to changing the law to self I'd. Much easier to campaign against self I'd before it's become law. Laws aren't undone easily- look at the gra.

I'm putting on my big girl pants and voting Conservative. Fed up of polarising politics. No they're not my first choice but if I continue to vote tribally nothing will change and labour will continue to expect my vote whilst they shit on me.
I just hope Johnson won't be leader for long and there's a shake up. There are moderate and competent Conservatives.

Just hope Gove is too busy snorting coke and clubbing to have a stab at it.

tabbycatstripy · 23/03/2022 13:50

'Johnson doesn't believe this position any more than he believes anything else he says. It's just that enough of us have made it politically expedient for him to take this line.'

Of course he believes biology is important. When people say BJ will shag anything that moves, as far as I know it's really only adult human females. He does not believe in some arbitrary, nebulous spectrum of male to female, and he does not believe a man saying he is female makes him so. And nor does anyone with a modicum of sanity.

I'm not going to make any Cameron jokes.

purpleboy · 23/03/2022 13:48

@MsTSwift

What do we do?! I surely can’t vote Tory but they are the only ones showing sense on this.
Anyone up for or know how to start a new party?

I'd be up for joining, run by the women of FWR I'm sure one of you can come up with a catchy nameGrin

PoshPyjamas · 23/03/2022 13:47

Labour can fuck off, I'll be voting Tory because of this issue.

MidsomerMurmurs · 23/03/2022 13:47

@nevercis

Johnson doesn't believe this position any more than he believes anything else he says. It's just that enough of us have made it politically expedient for him to take this line.
What do you think Keir Starmer is thinking when he says “you shouldn’t say only women have a cervix”?

I think he knows that only women have a cervix, but is not strong enough to actually say so. I don’t mean strength as in fisticuffs, I mean intellectual strength. Someone has told him that Guardian readers won’t forgive him if he tells the truth. I won’t vote for that sort of coward.

BridasShieldWall · 23/03/2022 13:47

@VelvetChairGirl

I still hate him, he is a repugnant, thick, lying piece of shit, this has not increased my view of him at all, it has only made me view starmer with even more contempt which I guess is a win for Johnson, I wish it wasnt.

we are completely fucked as voters, I wont vote for either party for different reasons.

Yep I agree with this. I am so angry with Labour. Julia HB spent just under 5 minutes grilling James Murray making him look an absolute idiot. It was 5 minutes that he should have spent talking about fuel price increases, cost of living increases, funding in schools and supporting children who have missed school and who need support, improving mental health service, recruitment crisis in NHS, P&O workers etc etc

Labour have allowed this to happen and should have realised how this would be used by the opposition. That s beside Labour not supporting women - I just look at the ever lengthening list of Labour MPs looking like idiots ripnutmeg Twitter. They aren’t fit to govern but then neither are the Tories. I’ve been eligible to vote for 32 years and Labour every time apart from once. I can’t vote for them now they are incompetent.

A580Hojas · 23/03/2022 13:45

It's sort of desperate but I'll be emailing my female Labour MP a link to this thread.

I urge you all to do the same! whether your Labour MP or candidate is male or female, please write to them on this!

I know there are other recent threads about the labour party and the trampling of women's rights. I'll seek those out and link them too.

knittingaddict · 23/03/2022 13:45

@Joystir59

If we don't vote Labour we have the Tories again. That's much more shit for many more people who are already struggling. If you abstain, the Tories win, if you spoil your ballot paper the Tories win, if you vote for Libdem, Green, SNP, Women's Equality, any of the minority parties, the Tories win. Vote Labour and get rid. We can work with labour to change their batshitery on gender.
I don't think so. It's too risky to ignore what Labour is saying. Words matter and I only have their words to go by, so I will listen and NOT vote Labour.
littlbrowndog · 23/03/2022 13:44

It’s hill I will run to top of with all the other women

We matter

Every msp and mp representing Scotland said the TWAW and most victimised ever.

Spineless tossers the lot of them