Boris has nailed colours to mast

"On the flip side voting Tory just because they will occasionally (when they think its a vote winner) remember that women exist feels like a betrayal of poor and disabled women."

Which women will suffer most from these gender identity lies though? Certainly not the privileged ones pedalling the lies, it will be the poorest and most vulnerable of us who bear the brunt.

Well, I'm not voting Labour again until they say something like BJ has. I wrote to my MP about this some time last year (safe Labour seat, female MP) and didn't even get an acknowledgement. I guess that means I won't be voting, and I wish there was a way to make the Labour Party give a toss about that.

Boris would probably also say that the earth was round... and he'd be correct. Does that mean I align with all other Tory views/policies, um, no.

Just because I believe in biological reality, doesn't make me a secret Tory supporter, nor does it place me "the wrong side of history" ...

What a bizarre thing to say.

'No, I'd agree with him if he said water was wet.'

Absolutely. It's not enough [to get my vote for Labour] to say, 'If a Tory says it it must be untrue and we say the opposite of whatever they say.] It's not what the Tories think that matters to me, it's what I think. I'm just looking to put my vote somewhere I can live with.

I am a woman, I have two daughters one of whom is disabled. I have no choice but to vote Tory. They are not perfect but this is a single issue for me.

Boris said nothing wrong here.

This situation is completely on Labour's head. I don't owe them my vote they have to work for it. Currently they are telling women who think sex matters to fuck off. So I did.

I won't vote Labour at the moment.
Once they can sensibly define a woman they might get it again. But I won't forget their stance on this issue. Me are my vote are just going to pipe down for now...

It’s a ludicrous situation to be in, but I won’t be voting for any party that doesn’t recognise women and their rights. The phrase Turkeys voting for Christmas has never been more apt. I want my daughters to compete in fair sporting competitions, be able to choose female medical practitioners and know they won’t be raped in their beds in hospital.

I can’t describe how horrified I am by what the Labour Party has become.

'Do you not worry - especially those of you expressing horror at agreeing with BoJo/Tories - that the fact that your view is shared by him and the tories is, perhaps, a signifier that you might be on the wrong side of history here?'

No.

Do you not worry - especially those of you expressing horror at agreeing with BoJo/Tories - that the fact that your view is shared by him and the tories is, perhaps, a signifier that you might be on the wrong side of history here?

You make a perfectly correct point @FireFlyBoogaloo and I did not mean for my post to insinuate that all posters on this topic would naturally be Labour voters if it were not for Labour’s position on GI Ideology.

I’ve had to revisit some of my own prejudices and assumptions around politics as I’ve followed this issue over the past few years. I hope I’m more open minded, considered and curious than perhaps I was previously.

I will vote Tory.

Boris said what I wanted to hear.

The way that GC people are spoken to and about by TRAs is nothing new to those women because they have been spoken to and about in that way by left-wingers who consider themselves moral betters since time immemorial. They have been told that they are selfishly voting in their own interest and not considering those who are in a different position, and in the next breath that they are stupidly voting against their own interest on another issue, which is also bad. The only common denominator is that the leftist believes herself morally, superior, and believes anyone who disagrees on any topic to be a very bad person. Which ought to be a familiar position to come here, based on the events of recent years.

I would describe myself as left of center but my refusal to engage in this kind or morally superior behaviour has given me cause to question it. I recognise the behaviour you describe here and I find it appalling. I have right leaning friends who appear to be very reasonable, kind and compassionate people, strangely they don't resort to name calling, shaming or guilting me when we disagree. It's a refreshing change from the tyranny of the people I do actually agree with.

'Chestfeeding?! What bollocks is this? Chests do not lactate. When you are talking about breastfeeding you are describing lactation from breasts.'

We could call it 'nipple-feeding', or 'mammary-gland-nutrient-dispensation'.

Nothing dehumanising about that, is there?

This doesn't sound like that. Good for her.

Actually I see it completely the other way around. I see this gender ideology as an exercise in class privilege. The people promoting this don't give shit about the women from disadvantaged communities who are most likely to be most harmed by this - those that end up in prisons, homeless shelters, refuges and recovery centres. The privileged with degrees care not one crap about those women, who are far distanced from their lives. The privileged never imagine themselves ending up in one of those places so care not about what happens to those who do.

Absolutely this.

The option to opt out of mixed sex facilites is harder to access lower down the socioeconomic hierarchy you are.

Chestfeeding?! What bollocks is this? Chests do not lactate. When you are talking about breastfeeding you are describing lactation from breasts.

The Tories will only make the divide in the country greater between the affluent and those struggling. I wouldn't vote for them on that basis. I can't believe that many of us are finding ourselves having to be grateful to them for recognising that there are biological differences between men and women. The stance of Labour & other parties is madness.

It's the definition of rock and a hard place.
I loathe this government and its 'leader'. His lies. His parties. His equating Ukraine to Brexit. His fucking up in Iran and getting Nazanin Z-R put away for six years. His not providing holiday lunches for children. His mismanagement of Covid. I could go on and on.
But Labour are TWAW. The Lib Dems and Greens are equally shite.
I really really don't know who I'll vote for from now on.
I've written to my MP about Lia Thomas and the wider issues of women's rights. I suspect she'll come down more on my side, if only because she's a diehard Corbyn supporter. Also, round here a balloon with a face drawn on and a red rosette would get in. But I still don't know if I can vote for the party any more.