Boris has nailed colours to mast

'I would struggle to vote for TWAW Caroline Nokes or TWAW Penny Mordaunt were it a General Election.'

We should crowdfund a sensible human to stand against Nokes as an independent. Any good GC women near the New Forest?

Some hilariously England-centric posts in this long thread. You want to try working out the political situation here in Scotland. (Spoiler: Nicola and the SNP are not the progressive types you probably think they are if you’re basing your view on simplistic Guardian coverage).

I’m under no illusions: I know that the Tories are the party of Nokes, Blunt, Miller et al as well as the party of Badenoch and Truss. But all this “I could never vote Tory” is a bit from up here. Careful what you wish for.

FOJN - You think he'll row it back eventually, then?

My reason for pointing it out is to show that Starmer isn't lying, or stupid.

Ah I see. No we do disagree on this. I don't think he believes a word of the gender nonsense but will repeat it because he's been told it's progressive but he parrots TWAW with zero conviction. He is not stupid which is why I don't think he believes what he says. He knows it's wrong to incarcerate women with rapists, however they identify, because he knows they are men.

My local MP (at present) is Duffield

Duffield may yet end up representing the conservatives. There have been rumbles about her being invited to the back benches.

And whilst Duffield herself gets it, I read on here she is surrounded by gender zealots in her team, certainly that seemed to be the flavour talking to people who helped her to campaign. I've also seen numerous posts where she's been sent letters and received no reply so I expect even her underlings have their own agenda.

I really hope she jumps ship, she's been treated appallingly by Labour and owes them no loyalty. She's also a moderate left voice so I think she'd do well in a conservative government shifting to a more central position.

Yes you can vote for them. They don't eat babies (raw).

Yes I really relate to that post too. Brought up that left were “good” and Tories “bad” but the issues are so complex and diverse now and the way the left wing parties have rushed to throw away womens rights has frankly sickened me. I cannot in all conscience vote for them.

@littlbrowndog thank you for that link about the petition - I hadn't seen the update.

It's absolutely astounding the situation up here - it seems so beyond rationality as to be ridiculous. Police Scotland insisting that someone who has raped women with his penis has to be recorded as a woman because he says so. Equality Impact Statements filled out which consider only one of the 9 protected characteristics. Research showing that men are self iding into the female prison estate to gain sexual access to women ignored by the SPS. The word woman removed from maternity policies. And the Scottish Government wasting £150,000 of taxpayers money to defend their unlawful redefining of the word woman.

It's utterly staggering.

Life is not black and white . ..

There are plenty of philanthropists who vote Tory .

And women are actually more likely than men to take a more pro-life stance on abortion.

I think maybe you are working from an incorrect premise.

So in May how should I vote?

I believe in biology. Personally this is my no1 interest/issue politically because I think we are such a crucial generation regarding women's rights.

My local MP (at present) is Duffield, I usually vote Labour or Lib Dem.
The area has always been blue until Duffield.

Also petition that police Scotland accuratly describe the sex of rapists

As now if a rapist in Scotland says they are a woman it’s recorded as a woman’s crime

murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2022/03/23/update-petition-on-accurately-recording-the-sex-of-people-charged-or-convicted-of-rape-or-attempted-rape/

For me this is the biggest fight ever for women and girls.

Scotland falling with self id.

We will be like Canada or some parts of USA where it’s a hate crime to misgender a man

The rights and existence of half the population is the most fundamental red line imaginable. I'm not actually going to vote Tory, I live in one of Labour's safest seats so no point, but nothing would possess me to vote Labour.

I also think we need to examine the rhetoric that Labour will look after people more. If you look at the 2019 Labour manifesto there was not a single penny more for welfare etc than the Tories had. Current shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves has a long history of hardline and inflammatory statements concerning people on low incomes. Labour would have cut vat on fuel to help mitigate rocketing costs, total circa £80 pa, but complained the Tory packages of £200 plus another £150 for most wasn't enough, no doubt terrified in case they didn't make enough noise to bury their own much smaller offer. There are many other things like projected minimum wage which also fall short of Tory plans. Easy wins like the £20 UC reversal are ignored and Labour had nothing to do with Marcus Rashgord's FSM campaign apart from trying to claim the credit when it was sorted. Please don't insult me by telling me Labour care more when they don't actually give a toss, I'm not stupid.

This Bill passed by a vote of 88 for and 28 against, 0 abstentions. It became law on 8 March 2018.

In the English census did you get asked what your sexuality was or if you were trans gender

In the Scottish census advisors said you can choose the sex of your kids 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️☹️

But in general, at the moment, I think the Conservatives are more open to change and influence, and there is a lot more interesting stuff going on among the conservative public intellectuals as well. Conservatives have not always been neoliberal or unconcerned by poverty, and in a lot of ways that kind of conservative governance seems to be on the wane. (And the left has not in the past been perfect on this issue either, tending to put too much weight on social programs and globalism as an answer without considering the role of good jobs and the role of agency of individuals in the culture.)

The real problem on the left at the moment is a completely closed down orthodoxy of identity politics, which seems unbreakable and inescapable. There is just no sign of any way to make a dent in it, and no self-awareness. In terms of public intellectuals on the left, while there are still some they are thinker on the ground - probably because a lot have myteriously been moved to the "alt-right".

So, yeah, I do think that on balance, persuading the Tories might be the better bet. I can't see any way to get through to Labour.

Labour and all those supporters of this ideology are usually hand wringing and weeping about the plight of these women

I think this is the part that sickens me the most.

You'll get passionate speeches about fervency of care and tolerance for those of minority cultures and religions, for the value of inclusion, for the disabled, for homosexuality, for VAWG, for child safeguarding, for women's services and health and refuges, for breast cancer, for the importance of accessible cervical screening -

and then point out that these things clash with the absolute freedoms and primacy of interest of male people, and watch the speaker turn on a dime. You'll get whiplash.

They cannot balance their views or interests in any way. You'll immediately start hearing how homosexuality is transphobic, that women need to reframe their trauma, that it's unacceptable to participate in a faith or culture that is incompatible with mixed sex spaces, that safeguarding is transphobic and NAMALT -

they only ever care about these vulnerable populations they can wax so very sentimentally and passionately on so long as those people are obediently serving the speaker's own political agenda. They will decry and rubbish them and come out with intolerance that can make your jaw drop the minute these people and their needs become inconvenient.

Don't take my word for it, go and look for yourself. Go and talk to a few. But just because someone shouts the word 'equality' and 'inclusion' a lot really does not mean they have any real belief or value for it, has the faintest idea or commitment of what it means, or that they are not doing it purely as good marketing.

[quote littlbrowndog]Full piece here , it’s a shite show in Scotland for women 🤦‍♀️

www.holyrood.com/news/view,scottish-government-lose-court-battle-over-redefinition-of-women[/quote]
It's great that Scottish SNP Government lost though. I love it when my donations go to the legal cases which win.
How sad that we women have to donate to these legal challenges/cases, when the existing law was already clear. They just chose to wilfully misinterpret it for whatever is driving this 'trans identity ideology' insanity in western countries right now.
Why aren't MSPs representing the sex-based rights of 50% of their constituents i.e. women?

Would you expect a gay man to vote for Labour, if Keir Starmer didn't know what a homosexual was?

Thought not.

So why aren't women allowed to put their sex-based rights first?

You cannot uphold single sex spaces if you accept TWAW then add in self-id where people change their biological sex on their Birth Certificate, how the hell can you? It's totally contradictory and JHB made that clear but still the Labour MP obfuscated and blustered.

We are having enough trouble upholding single sex spaces without self id being made law due to the lobbying and misrepresentation of the current safeguards by Stonewall et al, there will be no chance if that gets through.