Boris has nailed colours to mast

Gosh it would take more than a rudimentary understanding of gcse biology to get my vote!
I could never vote for such a man who has been responsive for so much tragedy and disaster, lies and chaos, who speaks racist and homophobic slurs, a man who is sacked from multiple jobs for his behaviour and a man who has dragged our country back years in living standards.

He is a very dangerous man. Do not be fooled.

And yet despite all of the above, Labour can only manage a paltry six-point lead? That would still leave them some way short of a majority.

I’m selling my soul to no Tory. We already know they know what a woman is, it’s how we know they’re no friends to us.

Covered in the Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/23/basic-facts-biology-boris-johnson-enters-transgender-debate/

‘Basic facts of biology’: Boris Johnson enters the transgender debate

"Boris Johnson has waded into the transgender debate for the first time, telling the Commons that “the basic facts of biology remain overwhelmingly important”.
The Prime Minister was asked about a landmark report into NHS gender services which found that doctors feel “pressured to adopt an unquestioning approachh_” when treating gender-dysphoric children.
Angela Richardson, a Conservative MP, asked for a meeting to discuss how “we can constructively support those young people who are experiencing gender distress”.
Mr Johnson agreed and told MPs that trans people should be treated with “the maximum possible generosity and respect”, saying Britain should “be very proud” of its systems allowing this.
He then said: “I want to say in addition that I think, when it comes to distinguishing between a man and a woman, the basic facts of biology remain overwhelmingly important.”
It marked the Prime Minister’s first significant intervention in the debate over whether men and women are merely self-identified genders, or immutable biological categories."

And:

"Earlier this year the Government rejected Theresa May’s proposed reforms to the embattled Gender Recognition Act to allow people to legally change their gender without a medical diagnosis.
Ministers are also consulting on new legislation to ban conversion therapy, which has come under fire from campaigners who argue it risks inhibiting clinicians who question someone’s decision to identify as trans. Some 5,500 children are now on the waiting list at the controversial Tavistock gender clinic, up more than a fifth since Covid lockdowns."

@MangyInseam that's interesting, yes that makes sense now I think about it. It does show the message you tend to get is the message the media tends to shout the loudest.

It is possible that Labour is under the impression that single-sex space women are all Tories anyway and there is no political mileage in listening to them, and the vote they believe they are shoring up is the youth LGBTQ+ vote.

Going after the youth vote never works though. The numbers just aren't on your side. There's always going to be more voters over 30 than under.

At the same time I've seen a surprisingly similar movement from a lot of people away from the Democrats because of very similar things that people talk about here: gender issues, identity politics generally, defund the police, etc. I don't think the British press has been great at covering it, maybe because it's been too caught up in Trump-the-world-is-falling rhetoric to notice - it's the same mistake where you pain people as beyond the pale and therefore neglect to notice they aren't the people you thought.

I would think most of the population have fairly moderate veiws, the details about how we might achieve broadly similar objectives might differ but there is (or was) always room for debate which seems to have been lost now.

Yes, I think you are right in that. It's what makes it laughable when people try and compare us to other countries like the USA.

We like our politics bland not spicy.

"Police Scotland insisting that someone who has raped women with his penis has to be recorded as a woman because he says so."

Most of this agenda against women sickens me but to see the police so openly colluding on this against victimised women (especially with the misogynistic reputation the police already have) is gut wrenching.
There is only one reason the police would insist on this, and that is they hate women. They are openly displaying their misogyny for all to see with no fear of reprisals. They. Hate. Women.

If Labour gets tanked but Rosie Duffield holds her seat, maybe Labour HQ can start asking itself some questions about how this shit happened.

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I'm really enjoying your posts. I think Tony Blair (much as I might have loathed him in office) was correct when he wrote last year that what the electorate dislike most is extremism be it from the right or the left. I would think most of the population have fairly moderate veiws, the details about how we might achieve broadly similar objectives might differ but there is (or was) always room for debate which seems to have been lost now.

FOJN - You think he'll row it back eventually, then?

I honestly couldn't say. It would be hard to row back from something like this but his credibility is shot so I'm not sure what he has to lose. I'm surprised and disappointed with the way he's handled this. Regardless of how you vote we need a credible and effective opposition and we don't appear to have that right now.

Men succeed in keeping non-conforming males out of their spaces just by a minority of males being violent towards them and making it too dangerous for them to enter. Women become the default 'safe' option for anyone not safe in the men's toilets.

Honestly, she's got so many people working against her I can't see how she can do any good, or even hold on to her seat.

Our city is Lib Dem / Tory neck and neck currently Lib Dem. A quick google shows our mp staunch TWAW she has tweeted that as there have been relatively few attacks on women by trans people self I’d is A Ok 🙄. Tory it is then.

That's not to say that anyone may nor prefer one platform over the other but it's best not to assume which is better in a given area.

To be honest most of the people who helped me see they had numerous good reasons for voting thusly were mumsnetters. I think an anonymous forum helps magnify those voices because actually, even from seeing this thread alone, you can see there's a stigma about not being left or progressive. Just look at us all agonising over voting for the only thing standing in the way of the destruction of women's rights. Moderate leave voters weren't going to be shouting about it on social media or down the pub. They just quietly did what they did at the polls.

Previously I had based my opinion of them on people on my other social media. They would say horrific things like we should gun down refugees in boats at Dover. So yes, of course that view is out there.

However, my point is it's not good versus evil or black and white. There aren't racists and saviours only, there is a whole load of grey spectrum and people from both sides will fall into the black and the white.

That said, I strongly believe in safeguarding and that is the one world that has no room for shades of grey. And most people who work with the vulnerable accept that. Male teachers don't publicly demand access to undressing female children because without it they interpret it as a slight on them; nursery workers don't bewail lack of trust because they have to stick to their ratios, scout leaders understand a CRB is not a personal judgement.

Agree re Rosie Duffield, Labour has treated her wrongly.

If your MP is Rosie Duffield, vote Labour. We need her voice in Parliament

Same with Brexit. I'm ashamed to say that I viewed anyone who voted leave as a rcaist ignorant. And I'm sure that was some people's motivation. But a lot of people had good reasons for thinking being put of the EU was preferable, and some of them were even selfless. Like people who wanted more control on foreign labour so people from other countries weren't explored into working for less than minimum wage in appalling conditions and English people weren't being overlooked as possiblities to be trained and do the jobs.

I have had the very opposite experience with Brexit.
I started off defending people who voted Leave and insisting it wasn't because they were racist. Then I listened to what the leave voters I know were actually saying, almost all of them were parroting racist lies, really horrible completely unambiguous racism. Stuff about Romanian people all just throwing their rubbish in the street, Polish people stealing our benefits blaming the EU for Islamic terrorism. I also followed Vote Leave for years now (they've gone very quiet recently) I'm sure this has coloured my view because of all the racism on there but it was also mirrored in the real world I lived in.

Johnson has found an issue he believes Labour are weak on. One which he believe may swing a fair few votes his was. And, tbh, if he follows it up by scrapping Annex B and forcing a change in guidance for prisons he may well swing my vote. And I refuse to feel guilty for voting in favour of women’s rights.

I will not leave the left. But the left has left me.

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