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M&S Reviews

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DevonTF · 22/03/2022 18:04

Looking at period pants - and the first review is this.

Clearly getting a sexual thrill - and M&S have given it a platform. I reported, but still live - so I guess M&S are happily going along with this.

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EdgeOfACoin · 25/03/2022 21:10

@SirVixofVixHall

Blimey, why did I get deleted ?
I got deleted too - I'm not sure why. I think I must have used the phrase 'actual women' at some point. However, the reviewer clearly identified himself as a 'cross-dressing man'. If I can't use language to distinguish between women and men who identify as men (albeit cross-dressing ones) without being deleted, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to express myself.

It's a very strange game to play.

SirVixofVixHall · 25/03/2022 20:54

Blimey, why did I get deleted ?

OtherShopsAvailable · 25/03/2022 20:45

Exactly @SirVixofVixHall what M&S don't seem to realise is that I am the gate keeper to where we spend money for different generations.

Babies, kids, teens, Xmas shopping for relatives, I strongly suspect that women signpost most of our family's shopping.
Easy enough to suggest DD goes to John Lewis for a fitting, the brilliant lady there pointed out what to look for, what to avoid if you went to Primark. We bought three in JL and her experience finally persuaded my very shy other daughter to go in.
Brand values.

SirVixofVixHall · 25/03/2022 20:36

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SirVixofVixHall · 25/03/2022 20:27

@MumThatsNotFair

These are the men we don't want in our toilets and changing rooms. These are the men that will go in.
This .
OtherShopsAvailable · 25/03/2022 20:20

I think it will change how I feel about M&S, for those of us who are a certain age, a KitKat is always a little unpleasant when you remember Nestle's exploring baby milk for profit in unsafe areas.

I had a couple of reviews turned down, years ago, when my girls were tiny. 'Pink Stinks'. M&S were very keen on labelling children's clothes Girls and Boys and using very narrow, almost retro gender assumptions. Eg dinosaurs for boys, pink cupcakes for girls. I was just looking for kids clothes a bit more rainbow, a bit more inclusive not pink or mud coloured.
My declined reviews were 'pink Stinks' perhaps if I'd echoed the style of 'Daphne' the cross dresser, I'd have been published.
I am a Cross dressing man and wanted to try this as I normally wear trousers. This was great. I have now had this for 2 weeks and these are so nice to wear. Full skirt (as I like), comfy and a pretty design. They also shape my small male anatomy to a feminine look plus allow room to breathe if I have an accident. Pretty look too and my wife and partner likes me in these. I have the pink skirt which does show below my waist when I bend over. Which is ok for me but other men may be less confident. Ladies. Great look, feel and will save on pretty skirts, unlike sanitary products, no vat on kids clothes. Win win.

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EricCartmansMagicalUnderpants · 25/03/2022 20:02

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DobbyTheHouseElk · 25/03/2022 19:37

@OtherShopsAvailable

I got a considered response from the M&S team after emailing [email protected].

My concerns were safe guarding vulnerable members of the community, teen girls and older women, along with brand values.

It's a professional response, obviously it might get shared on social media!

Obviously the review is still up, so I guess it chimes with their brand values in a way that my refused review , around five years ago didn't. Perhaps mine was too short?
'i win, i found the only non- pink item in the girls section'

You got a much longer response than I did! I wonder how many emails from MNers they had.
Westfacing · 25/03/2022 19:20

'Panties'

Says it all really.

internetpersonme · 25/03/2022 19:18

If only the daily mail would pick up on this thread!

internetpersonme · 25/03/2022 19:13

Absolutely repulsive.

Its not so much the buying of womens underwear that's so wrong you cannot stop people going into shops buying stuff and doing what they wish with the products on sale.

This review is forcing their kink onto unconsenting viewers so is similar to flashing. As someone upthread pointed out these products are purchased by teenagers. The fact marks and Spencer is willing to allow this sort of review is really disturbing.

This persons not only getting off on what they do in their own home they're enjoying making others feel uncomfortable.

No more m and s for me thanks. I usually buy school uniform from there!

KittenKong · 25/03/2022 19:12

The mealy mouthed ‘we arrive to be inclusive’ when it means women and girls are chased out. F*** cheek of him. I hope his mum/gran tells him straight.

Feelingoktoday · 25/03/2022 19:03

Young, embarrassed girls do NOT want to read reviews by a man. That’s enough to stop them wearing them, their mums buying them and therefore yet again restricting girls by men’s behaviour.

greasyshoes · 25/03/2022 18:55

It's a professional response, obviously it might get shared on social media!

I'm surprised you think that. To me, the response sounds like a stock response and quite dismissive.

OtherShopsAvailable · 25/03/2022 18:52

I got a considered response from the M&S team after emailing [email protected].

My concerns were safe guarding vulnerable members of the community, teen girls and older women, along with brand values.

It's a professional response, obviously it might get shared on social media!

Obviously the review is still up, so I guess it chimes with their brand values in a way that my refused review , around five years ago didn't. Perhaps mine was too short?
'i win, i found the only non- pink item in the girls section'

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WeWillLookBack · 25/03/2022 16:31

greasypalms - so what is a Trans Woman ?

Is it any man that says he is ?

Woman DO NOT WANT men in female on spaces - however they identify. That is it.

WellNotReally · 25/03/2022 16:17

Not allowing any males in women's changing rooms is safer for women. That's what matters greasy.

womanmeanssomething.com/targetstudy/

Tortabella · 25/03/2022 16:12

greasypalms or whatever your name is. Read the room and remove yourself. You are beyond tedious.

Terfydactyl · 25/03/2022 15:36

@greasyshoes

It doesn't matter either way. Born males need to stay out of the women's changing areas. Biology doesn't give a shit about their gender identity. If they need to get changed then the correct changing area for them is the men's.

First of all, the question of changing rooms is going off on a tangent. The man in the original review clearly refers to himself as a cross dresser, so he would be using the men's changing rooms in M&S.

Second, removing transgender women from women's changing rooms does basically nothing to stop the questions of privacy in changing rooms. As I already said, cleaners or women could still take pictures in changing rooms. However, in men's changing rooms, you have men, boys, and sometimes girls if their father has brought them along. A sex offender can still do plenty of damage in the men's changing rooms.

I think focusing in on transgender women is missing the forest because of the trees. The overarching issue is the problem of sexual offences being committed in changing rooms, not transgender women being in women's changing rooms per se.

Cant fucking find bunbury, sod it

This ^ post is all, look over there, no to your left, in the far distance.

Please dont actually look in the correct direction, here I am sealioning.

ScreamingMeMe · 25/03/2022 15:34

@greasyshoes

It doesn't matter either way. Born males need to stay out of the women's changing areas. Biology doesn't give a shit about their gender identity. If they need to get changed then the correct changing area for them is the men's.

First of all, the question of changing rooms is going off on a tangent. The man in the original review clearly refers to himself as a cross dresser, so he would be using the men's changing rooms in M&S.

Second, removing transgender women from women's changing rooms does basically nothing to stop the questions of privacy in changing rooms. As I already said, cleaners or women could still take pictures in changing rooms. However, in men's changing rooms, you have men, boys, and sometimes girls if their father has brought them along. A sex offender can still do plenty of damage in the men's changing rooms.

I think focusing in on transgender women is missing the forest because of the trees. The overarching issue is the problem of sexual offences being committed in changing rooms, not transgender women being in women's changing rooms per se.

What Alec said.
vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 25/03/2022 15:26

Yes, we don't mind so much our words and complicated bits of law - but when they come for our comfy knickers. WELL, THAT'S IT!

TheNameOfTheRoses · 25/03/2022 15:22

1235 thumb down now…

Amazed at the impact MN is having. Incl from lurkers (which I’m normally part of!)

ifIwerenotanandroid · 25/03/2022 15:12

Talking about this thread IRL, the suggestion was made that M&S probably do have a line in the sand beyond which they will remove reviews. It's just not where women would want it to be.

Then we had a go at coming up with reviews they would probably
remove, which was fun. We left the world of male kinks far behind & moved on to murder, drug running, money laundering & bringing down the government. Didn't post any, of course, but it was a laugh.

greasyshoes · 25/03/2022 15:11

It doesn't matter either way. Born males need to stay out of the women's changing areas. Biology doesn't give a shit about their gender identity. If they need to get changed then the correct changing area for them is the men's.

First of all, the question of changing rooms is going off on a tangent. The man in the original review clearly refers to himself as a cross dresser, so he would be using the men's changing rooms in M&S.

Second, removing transgender women from women's changing rooms does basically nothing to stop the questions of privacy in changing rooms. As I already said, cleaners or women could still take pictures in changing rooms. However, in men's changing rooms, you have men, boys, and sometimes girls if their father has brought them along. A sex offender can still do plenty of damage in the men's changing rooms.

I think focusing in on transgender women is missing the forest because of the trees. The overarching issue is the problem of sexual offences being committed in changing rooms, not transgender women being in women's changing rooms per se.

Terfydactyl · 25/03/2022 13:29

@greasyshoes

Not every store has stand alone booths, and even if they do, simply because men have access they could very easily put a camera in one.

A male cleaner could put a camera in a changing room. A woman could put a camera in a changing room.

In the tesco and Asda etc you can buy multipacks of knickers that are obviously sealed and have tamper proof seals at that.

You could also buy your underwear online, which means it probably hasn't been displayed in a shop.

Sigh again.

Yes we've been through this too. I'm off to bunbury.