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M&S Reviews

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DevonTF · 22/03/2022 18:04

Looking at period pants - and the first review is this.

Clearly getting a sexual thrill - and M&S have given it a platform. I reported, but still live - so I guess M&S are happily going along with this.

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PriamFarrl · 26/03/2022 19:31

@DobbyTheHouseElk

I’m confused now. Are these period pants for men or women? Are they actual pants for proper use, or a pretend thing for men?

I kinda need the real thing, not some “dress up” version for men. I have hips and stuff men don’t.

It depends what you mean by men and women.
DobbyTheHouseElk · 26/03/2022 18:07

I’m confused now. Are these period pants for men or women? Are they actual pants for proper use, or a pretend thing for men?

I kinda need the real thing, not some “dress up” version for men. I have hips and stuff men don’t.

WellNotReally · 26/03/2022 16:56

@IcakethereforeIam

Has anyone tweeted S&M? I don't know how twitter works but is it another way of publicising this outside MN? On the other hand, it might just encourage other fetishists.
M & S need to be shamed into removing these reviews. If they stop providing a platform for fetishists, then they won't be able to post on there so I don't think it will encourage them. I've tweeted the DM, but thats just one voice. Will tweet some individual journalists but we need more noise. No sane person will think this is ok, M & S' position is indefensible.
IcakethereforeIam · 26/03/2022 16:45

Has anyone tweeted S&M? I don't know how twitter works but is it another way of publicising this outside MN? On the other hand, it might just encourage other fetishists.

greasyshoes · 26/03/2022 16:42

Yeah, and? Both this and the M&S website are British and I find it very grating when men call them panties (and I know I’m not the only person who thinks this).

I'm just saying that use of the word "panties" is not a man-specific thing. It's an American-specific thing. If you spoke to an American woman, they would say "panties."

WellNotReally · 26/03/2022 15:43

I've just had a further mealy mouthed response from M & S. Are there any particular journalists we could be tweeting about this, it's so bloody appalling, it needs more sunlight.

WellNotReally · 26/03/2022 15:02

@HalfShrunkMoreToGo

Greasy was very recently on a Transwomen in sport thread arguing that there is no scientific evidence that male bodied people have any physical advantages over female bodied people and that it's likely that any benefits are not physical just sociological because girls are bought up to think they'll be worse at sports.

Not convinced its worth entering into a discussion with Greasy as they have so far shown no willingness to engage in sense or logical reasoning.

Agree, no more interacting with him from me.
Tortabella · 26/03/2022 14:28

More than 1300 thumbs down now.

That "I'm sorry to read you that you find one of the reviews on your website inappropriate" is so grating. It's the "I'm sorry you found it offensive" breed of patronising non-apology.

Yes Marks and Spencer, I'm sorry you're lacking the business sense to delete a review that 1300 people have so far indicated they find offensive, presumably many of them (myself included) customers.

I bought maybe 5 or 6 pieces of clothing from M&S last year - not a lot, but I'd do that every year, and now I won't. I personally find that person's comment disturbing, not just "inappropriate." And I won't give my money to a business that can't respect me enough to filter out such reviews.

HalfShrunkMoreToGo · 26/03/2022 13:51

Greasy was very recently on a Transwomen in sport thread arguing that there is no scientific evidence that male bodied people have any physical advantages over female bodied people and that it's likely that any benefits are not physical just sociological because girls are bought up to think they'll be worse at sports.

Not convinced its worth entering into a discussion with Greasy as they have so far shown no willingness to engage in sense or logical reasoning.

VeeringTowardsMuff1ns · 26/03/2022 13:44

@greasyshoes

Can’t bear it when men call them panties either 🤢

'Panties' is the American term, the equivalent of 'knickers'.

Yeah, and? Both this and the M&S website are British and I find it very grating when men call them panties (and I know I’m not the only person who thinks this). The trans/crossdresser reviews on M&S (which are numerous) very often use this word and I find it really off putting, along with descriptions of them having good support. Henceforth I will be buying my PANTS elsewhere.
WellNotReally · 26/03/2022 13:32

Yes - I wonder if they get that it's not about finding "one of the reviews" inappropriate. It's about the context of pervy men writing reviews for other perky men (and themselves) to wank over, and the deliberate transgression of women's boundaries. And as a previous poster says, on a product often used by young teens.

Yep, have addressed both of those points in my response. And said that I don't believe the person who responded to me really thinks that it's ok to leave that, and other similar reviews, up. Because they won't, they're just toeing an outrageous corporate line really.

I do think it would be helpful if as many posters as possible could tweet newspapers/journalists about this. M & S have no defence and they deserve shaming.

greasyshoes · 26/03/2022 13:22

Yes, and I've spent hundreds on hair removal - seems unfair that men can get it for free,

Incorrect. I purchase razors with 20% VAT to remove hair, like everyone else.

when they're the ones that could more easily "get away" with hairy legs/face (i.e. not get abused for them like I used to)

Incorrect. In some jobs, it's a requirement for men to be clean-shaven.

StellaAndCrow · 26/03/2022 12:56

@KittenKong

I passed a walk in facial salon (where they do dema peels and suchlike) with a huge pink and blue signs ‘we welcome trans (NHS funded)’ and the tri-gender sign. And

I thought - if it said ‘we welcome women ’ there would be protests and a brick through their window. And I didn’t feel welcome seeing the pink n blue anyway.

This is where we are.

Yes, and I've spent hundreds on hair removal - seems unfair that men can get it for free, when they're the ones that could more easily "get away" with hairy legs/face (i.e. not get abused for them like I used to)
StellaAndCrow · 26/03/2022 12:55

@WellNotReally

I've just had my response:

Thank you for your email addressed to Steve Rowe. As a member of the Executive team I will be responding on Steve's behalf.

I am sorry to read that you find one of the reviews on our website inappropriate. Your concerns have been noted and shared with the right people in our business.

Thank you once again for sharing your thoughts with us.

I've sent a long reply. Holding out no hope whatsoever.

Yes - I wonder if they get that it's not about finding "one of the reviews" inappropriate. It's about the context of pervy men writing reviews for other perky men (and themselves) to wank over, and the deliberate transgression of women's boundaries. And as a previous poster says, on a product often used by young teens.
greasyshoes · 26/03/2022 12:07

Can’t bear it when men call them panties either 🤢

'Panties' is the American term, the equivalent of 'knickers'.

KittenKong · 26/03/2022 12:06

I passed a walk in facial salon (where they do dema peels and suchlike) with a huge pink and blue signs ‘we welcome trans (NHS funded)’ and the tri-gender sign. And

I thought - if it said ‘we welcome women ’ there would be protests and a brick through their window. And I didn’t feel welcome seeing the pink n blue anyway.

This is where we are.

FrancescaContini · 26/03/2022 11:31

@SirVixofVixHall

Bravissimo. Who also allow men into their changing rooms. At least this bloke isn’t going into as much detail, although why he thinks that women would find his review helpful I do not know.
Fucksake. My aunt shops there and regularly spends a not-inconsiderable amount of money. I’ll forward this to her; I know she’ll be horrified and will withdraw her custom.
SirVixofVixHall · 26/03/2022 09:56

Bravissimo. Who also allow men into their changing rooms.
At least this bloke isn’t going into as much detail, although why he thinks that women would find his review helpful I do not know.

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ChickenStripper · 26/03/2022 09:49

Am I going blind this morning and not seeing Women listed on here or have I just been thinking it was there and never was? 🤨

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KittenKong · 26/03/2022 08:24

17:1300. They are clinging to this like a limpet aren’t they? It’s not going anywhere.

Maybe that’s the market they are aiming for since they have alienated women.

WellNotReally · 25/03/2022 22:52

I've just had my response:

Thank you for your email addressed to Steve Rowe. As a member of the Executive team I will be responding on Steve's behalf.

I am sorry to read that you find one of the reviews on our website inappropriate. Your concerns have been noted and shared with the right people in our business.

Thank you once again for sharing your thoughts with us.

I've sent a long reply. Holding out no hope whatsoever.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 25/03/2022 22:03

@MiladyBerserko I think they do, but they don't care.

MiladyBerserko · 25/03/2022 21:58

It's quite depressing but that's where we are.

M&S clearly don't understand the impact of their policies.

VeeringTowardsMuff1ns · 25/03/2022 21:35

So many reviews of M&S underwear seem to be written by men. I don’t want pants with “plenty of room and support” for the male cross dresser. They won’t bloody well fit me very well then if they’re cut to suit a man’s body shape FFS!

I need to buy some new pants - but I won’t be buying from M&S again. I’ll probably go to the small independent shop as I can at least be confident their changing room is safe (and she knows how to do a proper bra fitting!).

Can’t bear it when men call them panties either 🤢

internetpersonme · 25/03/2022 21:32

@greasyshoes

He's imposing his fetish on others by posting that review.

Not any more than seeing a gay relationship on TV, or seeing a gay pride parade in public, is gay people imposing their sexuality onto me, which they aren't.

Seeing something is seeing something. Having something imposed onto you is something else altogether.

Gay people dont get off on living their lives in public? Its not like 2 gay men doing a supermarket shop is the same
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