DD says her classmates are sick of gender indoctrination

You have no idea what I teach my kids, or even what experience they have at school, or indeed myself. So don't try to insinuate the way I bring up my children is wrong when you literally have no clue.

It is just a fact, there are groups within school,who are considered popular and those who are not, if you took insult to it then that's up to you to deal with you reaction, it's far from ideal but there we are
There are groups of girls who wear fake lashes, make up, spend a lot of time on their appearance, they are considers the pretty girls. I'd say that's subjective, but doesn't change being viewed that way amongst their peers.
School isn't always a lovely place especially if you don't fit in with what's considered cool, I remember it well.
As other postered have said no wonder they get involved in this, it's a way for them to belong to something and feel a part of a group. It's human nature to want to belong, but there is no point in denying a potential cause for these young people to get involved.

Gender identity is one of the things privileged people use to reassert their dominance in a culture that promotes diversity.

Rich middle class girls are not going to get any preferential treatment and so use gender ideology to get that treatment.

@NonnyMouse1337 I am really interested in your comment about white people being considered lowest of the low in certain circles. I’m not white but have met people that feel almost guilty and fear their own as it’s referred to sometimes white privilege.

That really sucks for the mixed race kids and kids with disabilities who don't get to feel seen or have their struggles and achievements acknowledged in the same way. It's not fair. This kind of teaching shouldn't be driven by what's most currently in the public eye. Incredible if they have gender training but no anti-racism training or disability awareness.

It's attitudes like this that make me understand why some kids are so vulnerable to this stuff.

They are vulnerable and being told by teachers that changing sex is perfectly possible.

It is down to the teachers in my opinion, they should not spout this bullshit in the first place.

My daughter is in y7 at secondary school, and whilst a couple of her group are fully bought into the whole gender agenda, the rest of them think it's a load of tiresome old shite. And also think that, as PPs have said, the majority of children who make a big deal about all of this are generally those who need to be centre of attention. Gives me a little bit of hope.

tend to think that it is early teens that get really caught up and confused. A lot of older teens do see it as kind of stupid and attention seeking.

But, at least among my kid's friends in that age, they still haven't really looked at it very analytically. I am not sure if that will come later, or what.

At the universities it seems less clear to me. I know there are plenty of kids who just avoid it and see it as drama. But there is a significant group that seem to want to take it even further and use it for really nasty power plays. It affects the whole place, the governance, policy, even the texts that get read and how they are taught.

If you think it's bad at school, wait until they get to Uni - it's taken to a whole new level.

If you don't like my wording fair enough, but as a presumed adult you should be perfectly capable of disagreeing with someone without resorting to insults.

@AlisonDonut, thanks for that!

It’s the kids of the mums on these parenting sites that say .. I send my son into nursery with a dress on he likes it.
Knowing full well they don’t 😅 or do it so people react.

This is what these kids have learnt have got them attention.

In that I DON’T mean the actual trans kids the very few because the ones going through this don’t act so attention seeking as them kids that behave like that.

In my kids secondary school there was a few of these kids and mainly boys actually, now all uj college and are still boys but have another drama to be dealing with, always something with them people, always will be till they get therapy.

I wish parents would also get the memo. One the mums of a girl the same age as dd has been know to describe girls as vagina havers in the name of inclusion. ‘Nice middle class family’ etc.

I don't understand what 'Crucible girls' are. Anyone?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crucible

Witch hunting mob, I imagine.

My teens are gender critical - also know to never mention it or enter a discussion. It’s so sad that free speech (& basic science) are being eroded in this way.

What a relief to see that the popularity of this cult is waning, I really hope this is true.

OP “Crucible girls”

👌🏻 Keeping that.

Ds16 is at 6th form college where there are numerous trans, non binary, gender neutral kids.

They are seen as attention seeking and narcissistic, and just generally a PIA.

My Step Daughter left uni 2 years ago and she is a fully fledged TERF.

It is encouraging and we knew that they weren't buying it, they were being bullied into it. The more sunlight the more we can free the next generation from this ridicuous [I hate to say it] cult.

It's encouraging to hear that many kids are starting to see the flaws in gender identity ideology.

There is a much wider societal influence of 'identity politics' that encourages and feeds this kind of phenomena.
There's a lot of social power and influence in 'progressive' circles if one claims to be part of an 'oppressed group', whether that's based on the colour of your skin or some other facet.

Being white is considered to be the lowest of the low in certain social and political circles, and girls / women seem very susceptible to guilt-tripping and self-loathing. It's amazing how much self-loathing there is about something that no one has any control over i.e. the colour of your skin. So if you're white and looking for social currency on the oppression totem pole, then gender identity nonsense is perfect precisely because it is completely subjective and unfalsifiable.

I don't blame children for being drawn to this kind of power game. It's intoxicating and exciting, even as it steadily harms your own mental health because of the kind of self-absorption required to sustain it. I have less patience for adults who engage in it though.

My DD is nearly 19 and none of her friends buy it. There were reports about Gen Z rebelling about online porn, I don't think it's going to be long before they start collectively saying, "Hang on a minute, you don't need to change your body to be feminine/masculine, you can like anything with the body that you've got" and everyone says, "Oh, yeah, what a load of nonsense gender is," and the middle aged feminists among us roll our eyes and just say thank God for that, can we now get on with something more important. Just hope it happens soon.