Are the wife and children really fine?

Maybe they are fine maybe they aren't. Has fuck all to do with me and fairly certain non of them deserve to be discuss on Mumsnet 🙄

@TeaKaxon

If your mind is so bendy that you can accept a man announcing he is a woman and his wife and kids being delighted for him, I'm quite sure you can understand a perfectly comprehensible post.

Did you want to try that again with syntax?

She doesn't need to. It parses just fine.

Is this all you've got?

@TeaKlaxon Did you want to try that again with syntax?

So that's your admission that you have no answer at all to my post? So you're admitting you're not posting in good faith and have no comeback at all, just petty insults? It says more about you and your true agenda that you cannot acknowledge an argument in good faith.

Did you want to try that again with syntax?

It was perfectly comprehensible.

I've had my son's 11 year old friend round at my house crying because "he just wants his daddy to be a boy again". Now the dad wants to be called mum. How is that fair on the kids?

[quote PinaColada123456]**@TeaKlaxon* So if children are taught that their daddy no longer exists as their 'daddy' anymore, but is instead another mummy, you honestly don't think children will mourn the loss of the father they had? Are you really this disconnected from reality that 'deadnaming' someone is an offence, but by virtue of the fact their 'daddy' no longer exists as their daddy* is..... not a problem to you, and they can just...... get over it and forget they ever had a daddy?[/quote]
Did you want to try that again with syntax?

@TeaKlaxon So if children are taught that their daddy no longer exists as their 'daddy' anymore, but is instead another mummy, you honestly don't think children will mourn the loss of the father they had? Are you really this disconnected from reality that 'deadnaming' someone is an offence, but by virtue of the fact their 'daddy' no longer exists as their daddy is..... not a problem to you, and they can just...... get over it and forget they ever had a daddy?

A man cannot be a woman.

He thinks he would like to be what his idea of a woman is but as he can't possibly know what it is to be a woman he can only become an idea he has in his own head.

Sometimes, I think it would be nice to be a cat-lie in the sun all day sleeping but I don't know what it actually is to be a cat-how can I. I might buy myself a cat suit and lie on the sofa purring but that doesn't mean I'm a cat. I'm a pretend cat and no real cat would accept me as a cat.

I don't accept men who pretend to be a woman-their version of what they think is a woman.

A cat wouldn't accept a man pretending to be a cat so why should women accept men pretending to be women. Why should we have to put up with what a cat wouldn't.

Men do not know what it is like to be a woman so it is crazy bollocks to say that they have become one.

You can't change the colour of your skin.

In fact there's a riproar if a white person tries to explain what a person of colour might think and rightly so because how can a white person actually know what it is to be a person of colour but no riproar when a man says he knows what it is to be a woman to the extent that he calls himself one!

But neither does anyone else on here. I just seem to be the only one willing to admit that.

My first post on this thread was "well, what does the wife say?". Then I said I could certainly accept that some women would be fine with it. Others have said the same thing.

This is the problem with entering debates with the intention of bolstering yourself as the lone ranger good guy, rather than actually reading and interacting. You end up saying silly stuff.

But neither does anyone else on here. I just seem to be the only one willing to admit that.

No you're not.

It very well may be that this person is lying (or deluded) when they say their wife and children are fine. I don't know.

But neither does anyone else on here. I just seem to be the only one willing to admit that.

[quote PinaColada123456]**@TeaKlaxon* The point is that no one on this thread has the first clue whether this person's wife and children are ok or not.*

Again, we do know. As it is simply not possible for a wife and children to be told their whole life was a lie, and their daddy is now 'dead'. You can deny this fact to suit your prejudice, your brainwashing, ideology and agenda, but you can never state with a straight face that any child will be perfectly fine with having their life destroyed and their father 'killed'. You'd have to be a psychopath to argue the case that a child in particular would be 'fine' with that.[/quote]
Made up nonsense again.

And conjecture. Who says they were told Daddy is 'dead' (and why did you use quote marks?)?

The fact is that many people experience all sorts of difficulties in their life and come out the other side and can be described as 'fine' after it. It can take time and difficult adaptation. But the notion that there is not a single spouse or child of a trans person who could not be described as 'fine' is absolute nonsense.

I know this because there are spouses and children on the record as saying they are fine. In some cases it took time, often took external help like therapy, but they are now fine. You have no way at all of knowing if the family the OP refers to might also fall into that category.

I can’t see how anyone would be ok with finding out their life had been a massive lie !!!

Lied to about is the least anyone can do

don't care if you don't think being trans is real or valid. The point is that no one on this thread has the first clue whether this person's wife and children are ok or not. So they just jump to the assumption that supports their prejudice.

Works the other way too.

But those statements have come.from the " pro trans" lobby.

If you are talking abiut justifying lying to.your wife and kids for your entire married life an idea of what they have been lied to abuse the.least anyone can do.

But if there's no explanation then that's just confirming what is already suspected its not some stand against " anti trans" people

@TeaKlaxon The point is that no one on this thread has the first clue whether this person's wife and children are ok or not.

Again, we do know. As it is simply not possible for a wife and children to be told their whole life was a lie, and their daddy is now 'dead'. You can deny this fact to suit your prejudice, your brainwashing, ideology and agenda, but you can never state with a straight face that any child will be perfectly fine with having their life destroyed and their father 'killed'. You'd have to be a psychopath to argue the case that a child in particular would be 'fine' with that.

Because that's the focus of the current moral panic.

Let me get this straight @SevenWaystoLeave

You are saying that women forced out of rape counselling because a man chose to sit in; women sexually assaulted in hospital, in prison by men are some kind of moral panic?

You are saying that women who do not wish to share single sex spaces and services with any man for any reason are in a moral panic?

How little you value the safety and dignity of women and girls.

This x 1000

@TeaKlaxon

When I attempted to put my side I lost my relationship with my brother and sister and several friends. ExH attempted to drag me through the courts to gain access to DD who wasn't biologically his and said it was my transphobia that was preventing access. It wasn't - it was the fact that a) she wasn't his and b) she was terrified of him. Happily the courts saw through him pretty quickly, but not before several hearings to establish facts.

He absolutely painted himself as the victim and as I said, was celebrated for his bravery. When I told my side, I was called a drama queen and a liar. I lost everything, my home, my family, friends.

And of course I'd given a decade of my life to a person who was never truly available in the first place. That's not on me, and it's not my fault. If he'd always known he was a woman as he claimed when our relationship ended, what right did he have to marry someone without telling them? And then pretty much blame his wife/marriage for making him feel so trapped and frustrated he resorted to violence? There was no cultural pressure for him to marry. He did not need to involve anyone else.

I don't care if you don't think being trans is real or valid. The point is that no one on this thread has the first clue whether this person's wife and children are ok or not. So they just jump to the assumption that supports their prejudice.

[quote PinaColada123456]**@TeaKlaxon* but others come to it later, particularly those who have had to suppress those feelings or simply never had a name to relate their feelings to.*

Women and children shouldn't have to pay the price for that. It's not fair on them. You clearly empathise with men over women. My empathy is for women and children.[/quote]
Why would you have to choose?

If someone comes to a realisation later in life that means their marriage either cannot survive or needs to adapt (if the other party is willing), why can we not empathise with everyone in that scenario. Why would you think your empathy should be directed only in one direction or other.

If a woman realised she was a lesbian after ten years of marriage, never cheated on her husband but ended the marriage, should we deny her empathy just because it should be with her husband and children? Or should we do the basic human thing of empathising with everyone involved in a pretty rubbish situation.