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Are the wife and children really fine?

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DancingBarefootOnIce · 22/03/2022 08:03

A man I used to be close friends with recently came out as a transwoman on Facebook. I was a bit surprised as when I knew them in their 20s they were just a typical man. They’re now mid 30s and married to a woman with three children.

Anyway in their post the second sentence was something along the lines of “Don’t worry my wife and children are fine”. I’ve seen it before in stories like this or when someone comes out as gay.
It’s almost like there’s going to be an accusation of homophobia or transphobia if they’re not alright with it. It just doesn’t feel right. If my partner or father came out with something like that it would change so many things in thinking about past relationships etc.

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Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 22/03/2022 17:27

Astonishingly the nursing and midwifery council doesnt hold any information on the process for assigning sex at birth

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/information_on_assigning_sex_at

It’s a shocker I know

DrSbaitso · 22/03/2022 17:26

You see here, people, the Newspeak in action. You can't argue what a sexed female is, because sex means gender and female means whatever, er, Elaine wants it to mean. And sex is not objectively observed, it is randomly assigned for no reason.

Don't worry. When Elaine wants to conceive a child, Elaine will know which gametes Elaine needs, and will have no trouble identifying the male and female people.

Newspeak does not a valid argument make.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2022 17:24

This thread details more specifically about gender being stereotypes.

That's a bot created by some misogynist to troll women. Not some kind of authority we must defer to on our own sex. HTH.

DrSbaitso · 22/03/2022 17:20

A trans person is someone who's gender doesn't match that assigned at birth.

How do doctors "assign" sex at birth? What process do they use? What do you mean by gender?

A trans woman is an adult female person.

What do you think "female" means?

OkPedro · 22/03/2022 17:20

Yes gender is stereotypes.. I'm confused now Elaine you are in agreement that gender is stereotypes

SamphiretheStickerist · 22/03/2022 17:19

Female and male here refer to gender identity.

Where? Some scienceless based Transtopia?

There is no specific way or defining characteristic to be a man or a woman.

Ah! Another who denies the existence of reality. Is that nihilism? Solipsism? A form of existentialism?

And offering a Twitter Twat as some sort of evidence. How cute is that?!

ElaineFuchs · 22/03/2022 17:11

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Oh good, we're finally going to get an explanation of what the difference is between a transwoman and a man. Naturally, it won't involve gender stereotypes.

We're all ears, Elaine.

A trans person is someone who's gender doesn't match that assigned at birth.

A trans woman is an adult female person. A trans man is an adult male person. Female and male here refer to gender identity.

There is no specific way or defining characteristic to be a man or a woman. For examples, you might consider looking at yourself or those you know and see how they perform or express their gender, for example they might use gendered pronouns.

This thread details more specifically about gender being stereotypes.
twitter.com/WhatIsAWomanBot/status/1477090905215553536

TeaKlaxon · 22/03/2022 17:06

[quote PinaColada123456]**@TeaKlaxon* Did you want to try that again with syntax?*

So that's your admission that you have no answer at all to my post? So you're admitting you're not posting in good faith and have no comeback at all, just petty insults? It says more about you and your true agenda that you cannot acknowledge an argument in good faith.[/quote]
It’s my admission that I couldn’t work out what you meant because you expressed yourself with very little clarity.

SamphiretheStickerist · 22/03/2022 17:04

Firstly we're not talking about men. We're talking about trans women.

And the difference is...

Don't interact with them in a changing room. They're there to get changed, nothing more.

Erm.... no, never mind. EF will simply assert some balderdash!

TheMarzipanDildo · 22/03/2022 17:04

(It’s a mrmenno song)

Nnique · 22/03/2022 17:04

Kindly stop using that term.

C** is an offensive bollocks. The word for adult human females is women. No prefix required, no qualification required.

TheMarzipanDildo · 22/03/2022 17:03

Video not safe for work btw

TheMarzipanDildo · 22/03/2022 17:03

I’d hope so Elaine, but you can’t guarantee it:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=zwUe7-4-_TY&t=261s

ElaineFuchs · 22/03/2022 17:01

@TheMarzipanDildo

ElaineFuchs

I wasn’t exclusively talking about TW.

Good job swerving the whole “no true Scotsman” thing though!

It’s not that I think getting off on the idea of yourself as a woman is especially objectionable, I just don’t want to have to participate in someone’s fetish, eg by having to validate their identity in a women’s changing room.

Don't interact with them in a changing room. They're there to get changed, nothing more.
TheMarzipanDildo · 22/03/2022 16:59

ElaineFuchs

I wasn’t exclusively talking about TW.

Good job swerving the whole “no true Scotsman” thing though!

It’s not that I think getting off on the idea of yourself as a woman is especially objectionable, I just don’t want to have to participate in someone’s fetish, eg by having to validate their identity in a women’s changing room.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/03/2022 16:58

Oh good, we're finally going to get an explanation of what the difference is between a transwoman and a man. Naturally, it won't involve gender stereotypes.

We're all ears, Elaine.

ElaineFuchs · 22/03/2022 16:53

@TheMarzipanDildo

I can’t fathom the “AGP has been discredited!” argument. There is a wealth of evidence to suggest that some men get off on the idea of being seen as women- the forced feminisation porn, actual verbal testimonies, all the videos of men in dresses ‘pleasuring themselves’ in women’s bathrooms...

There are much weirder fetishes. We don’t doubt that some people (like the woman who married the Berlin Wall) feel attraction to inanimate objects.

Firstly we're not talking about men. We're talking about trans women.

Secondly, cis women can also feel attraction to themselves. It's a perfectly normal thing for both cis and trans women to experience.

TheWeeDonkey · 22/03/2022 16:48

@selky 💐

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2022 16:38

Is this all you've got?

Yes.

SamphiretheStickerist · 22/03/2022 16:38

Yes. It's like we have to tell those men they are liars in order to allow some other men to do something else!

Odd doesn't cover it.

TheMarzipanDildo · 22/03/2022 16:35

I can’t fathom the “AGP has been discredited!” argument. There is a wealth of evidence to suggest that some men get off on the idea of being seen as women- the forced feminisation porn, actual verbal testimonies, all the videos of men in dresses ‘pleasuring themselves’ in women’s bathrooms...

There are much weirder fetishes. We don’t doubt that some people (like the woman who married the Berlin Wall) feel attraction to inanimate objects.

ElaineFuchs · 22/03/2022 16:33

[quote BitOutOfPractice]@ElaineFuchs

"Obviously the sarcasm isn't working LOL"

You are quite clearly tone deaf and your flippancy is really really, I can't think of a better word, so I'll say horrible.[/quote]
I'm sorry you feel that way.

If there's a wya you feel I could get my message across with greater clarity, I'm all ears

Xoxo

ElaineFuchs · 22/03/2022 16:32

@bracebrace

I wouldn't be fucking fine. Deceitful prick.
Seems to me to be the opposite of deceitful...

Wouldnt it be worse for those involved to hide this from ones family?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/03/2022 16:11

@TeaKlaxon

Oh hello more evidence that the people who most want to make it hard for trans people to come out at an early stage in their lives so they can be authentically themselves as early as possible, also want to shit on trans people who have come out much later in life because they live in a society that still forces people into the closet for years and years.
I take it this is a reference to those of us who believe that young children and teenagers shouldn't be embarking on medical treatment which will irreversibly change their bodies and the course of their adult lives to address a psychological problem. Those of us who think that taking puberty blockers isn't like pressing a pause button, given that it means the brain stops maturing and then the child is asked whether they want to go onto cross-hormones which will destroy their fertility and may also mean they never have a normal sexual response - a decision whose implications are totally beyond a child to understand. Those of us who think that any doctor who performs a double mastectomy on a teenage girl who has body dysmorphia and other signs of mental distress should be struck off.
bracebrace · 22/03/2022 16:00

I wouldn't be fucking fine. Deceitful prick.