Are the wife and children really fine?

Yes. And then, once we accept that transwomen are women, there's no reason transwomen can't take women's sporting opportunities and medals, places meant to encourage women into business or STEM, places meant to ensure equality on corporate boards and so on. Because they ARE women.

(Don't worry, human traffickers and porn moguls. We'll know who the women are for your purposes.)

Newspeak objectives accomplished, doubleplusungood.

What is wrong with man, woman, transman and transwoman? What's the objection?

I don’t think you understand what you mean when you said ‘by that logic’.

I meant exactly what I said. Your logic, such as it is, is that if "trans" exists as a prefix, there HAS to be another opposite prefix for the same word. Hence, there is no such thing as a woman. Why is this so confusing? You're literally refusing to use the word without the prefix and arguing with us about it.

Have you worked out the lucid post that stumped you so much earlier this afternoon?

@TeaKlaxon But if there are transgender people, by definition there must be people who are not transgender.

Yes there is. They are...... woman, and man . Words that have been in English usage for centuries.

How about that? Woman, and man. Wow. The English language is fascinating isn't it.

@TeaKlaxon correct! And those words are man and woman!

[quote AllThingsServeTheBeam]@TeaKlaxon ok then, transgender man and transgender woman. That better? Because I as someone who is not transgender does not agree that we are 'cis'. So to differentiate I will always use transman or transwoman. I don't know a single person irl who agrees with the term 'cis'. [/quote]
Yes of course. Transgender man or transgender woman is entirely appropriate language to describe trans people.

But if there are transgender people, by definition there must be people who are not transgender.

There’s no such thing as a ‘transman’ or ‘transwoman’. Trans is an adjective. It is therefore a standalone word to describe people whose gender identity doesn’t align with the sex they were assigned (or even observed…) at birth. And if those people exist then so too do people for whom that is not true. People like me. Stop trying to police the words those of us who are not transgender use about ourselves!

Er, by this logic there most definitely is such a thing as a transwoman, but there's no such thing as a woman. The word, according to you, has no meaning without a prefix.

Has someone told Wonder Ciswoman or the First Cislady that nobody understands who they are?

For what it's worth though, I don't care if you want to call yourself a ciswoman or the Mighty Mekon of Venus. But you don't get to dictate to us what we call ourselves and you certainly don't get to tell us that there's no such thing as a woman.

@TeaKlaxon You're being disingenuous. Transwoman or trans woman is the same thing.

You already have a term to describe yourself - woman. You always have. No one is policing anything because woman is the actual opposite of trans woman. Again, no 'cis' needed.

@TeaKlaxon ok then, transgender man and transgender woman. That better? Because I as someone who is not transgender does not agree that we are 'cis'. So to differentiate I will always use transman or transwoman. I don't know a single person irl who agrees with the term 'cis'.

If you're not Christian you're a heathen.

[quote PinaColada123456]**@TeaKlaxon* So how else do you propose to distinguish people who are trans from people who are not when it’s relevant to a discussion.*

That is easy. It is how we have been distinguishing trans from people who are not for decades.

Woman - Transwoman
Man - Transman

You are simply a Woman. You don't need any prefix in front. You're either a Woman or Transwoman. Women who identify with the sex they were born are simply called Women.

It's really as simple as that. No need to complicate things that are not complicated.[/quote]
There’s no such thing as a ‘transman’ or ‘transwoman’. Trans is an adjective. It is therefore a standalone word to describe people whose gender identity doesn’t align with the sex they were assigned (or even observed…) at birth.

And if those people exist then so too do people for whom that is not true. People like me. Stop trying to police the words those of us who are not transgender use about ourselves!

My H, when coming out to friends and family, told everyone I had known about it for years and I was perfectly happy about it. Both statements complete lies designed to make them look like less of a shit.

He even told one of our closest friends that we had made an agreement years back that we would have DC then he would transition.

The lies about me nearly broke me.

@TeaKlaxon

Tea, given you couldn't understand a perfectly lucid post earlier (and have failed to respond to it), why should we accept you as the final authority on words?

Better cancel yourself.

If you’re not trans then you’re cis.

If you're not sexed female then you're not a woman.

Arguing otherwise is about as tiresome as straight people arguing there shouldn’t be a word to describe people not being gay or bi.

Except nobody argues this. They argue against intellectually dishonest Newspeak designed to make it impossible to articulate the concept of a woman being an adult human sexed female.

You can repeat said codswallop as often as you like. If the vast majority of people just say piss off, don't be daft, you'll get nowhere.

Come back and try again when you have accessed some logic.

How old are you TeaKlaxon? Because using cis is a very recent thing. So you should be able to remember a time when we just said man or woman. Ah, those were the days.

The irony in you trying to tell me what I am though ay? When I aren't allowed to say stop using made up words that don't mean anything.

You're wrong and will always be wrong. I'm a woman. If a man wants to be a woman they are a transwoman. End of story.

Your comparison makes zero sense btw.