Are the wife and children really fine?

[quote Movingonup22]@SevenWaystoLeave - i acknowledge your personal experience - if there just as many middle aged women coming out and as identifying as trans men why do you think media is always about trans women?[/quote]
Because that's the focus of the current moral panic.

@SevenWaystoLeave - i acknowledge your personal experience - if there just as many middle aged women coming out and as identifying as trans men why do you think media is always about trans women?

I can’t see how many wives and children would be fine.

If my husband came out as transgender to me and our children I would be utterly heartbroken and feel incredibly betrayed it’s not because I’m transphobic, it’s because I’ve married, had children with and devoted my life to someone who should have loved me enough to save me from the hurt and confusion this big secret would inflict on us.

For example, Phil Schofield. I really like him on the tv. But to come out at gay after marrying and having children with his wife must be utterly heartbreaking. She’s spent how many years of her life contributing to and making a family unit, and now she has to watch the man who looked her in the eye on their wedding day and made his vows, move on with his life as a gay man. - which leaves her where? Does she move on too? She’s just spent the best part of her life in a lie, that must be really hard.

I didn't leave my exH because he was trans. He physically and emotionally abused me for a decade until I finally left and went into a refuge.

As soon as I left he came out as trans and told everyone (including mutual friends and my family members) that our marriage hadn't worked out because he'd always known he was a woman. He'd never told me he was trans, but he did wear women's underwear and nightwear and liked to be called by a particular women's name at home for the last few years of our relationship. He told people that he hadn't meant to be violent and abusive but he was so frustrated and felt so trapped that sometimes he couldn't help it.

He was lauded as a hero and so, so brave for finally finding the courage to be his authentic self. I was left to get on with it, including by my own siblings who remained friendly with him and went NC with me. Apparently I could have done things more amicably and been more understanding. His mother wrote to me to tell me I should have stood by him and let him do 'his thing' and my going into a refuge had tarnished his reputation.

The wives are not alright.

This thread is nuts.

Is Rebecca Root still a bloke called Graham? Or is she a bloke called Rebecca who identifies female?

Your intersexual friend may wander around wrapped in a winding sheet wearing a deep sea diving helmet but all you have to do is lift up that sheet and you will be able to tell your friend what sex they are.

That might help them.

My intersex friend doesn’t indentify as male or female.

Identifying is not the same as being.

@TheOriginalEmu you're making yourself look really silly. I'd stop now.

It’s just a way of differentiating between people who only like people who identify as the sex they are born as, and people who are also attracted to trans people and intersex people and nonbinary people.

It's completely unnecessary as bisexual already covers everyone who is attracted to people of both sexes however much they want to virtue signal about being accepting of gender identity labels. Intersex is not a gender identity and it's quite offensive to imply that people aren't male or female or "identify as the sex they are born as".

@TheOriginalEmu Firstly, intersex is a medical anomaly, and even intersex are one over-arching sex or the other.

Secondly Intersex people have repeatedly asked that they not be used as weapons and manipulated by trans people.

The fact is there are only two sexes. Male, and female. Anything else is science-denier territory.

And I do than DrS for trying to explain it. That's probably the clearest explanation I've seen

It is impossible to overstate how much narcissism plays into male transition, especially in middle age.

My intersex friend doesn’t indentify as male or female.

They can identify any way they want but their sex will be either male or female. HTH

My intersex friend doesn’t indentify as male or female.

Your friend with a DSD can identify how they like, but they are physically male or female. The DSD, whatever it is, can occur only in one pathway or the other.

And no ones just attracted to blonde hair. I mean there are other things . Aspects of personality. Exhibited by people who are 1 of 2 sexes. Traits don't exist on their own unless you think pansexuals are locking hair dresser floors cos of all the blonde hair?

The first time I started waking up to the damage being wrought by gender ideology was watching that 2019 C4 documentary The Making of Me. It was so painfully obvious the wives and children were utterly distraught, and their euphoric transitioning husbands were oblivious narcissists. There was one really memorable scene where a couple had a dinner party and you could see their friends were just furious at how the trans identified husband was treating his wife.

They may not identify (WTF) but they are Male or Female.

Well intersex people exist so you are wrong that there are two sexes.

No they don't, and that's why that word shouldn't be used any more.

People with a difference of sexual development (DSD) exist. They have a variation of development along one sexual pathway or another. They are not "intersex", they are male or female, and the community in general rejects the term for being inaccurate and offensive. As for dragging them into the trans debate as if it's anything to do with them...

Yes I do!

@TheOriginalEmu

As Pan sexuality doesn't exist, it would be impossible to insult that sexuality. It is perfectly fine to call the term "sloppy shite" because that is what the term is...its very sloppiness is encapsulated by the fact that no-one can define it.

There are 2 sexes and one can be bisexual. You can't be attracted to more than 2 sexes because there are only two.

I understand there are people who like sex with animals and I suppose you could apply Pan to that, although I can think of more appropriate names.

People with dsds are still male or female fgs and have requested not to he used in gender/sex debates.

If sex was a spectrum then dsds wouldn't even he dsds would they.

Pansexual people just like the thing itself and their attraction isn't altered by which body it comes in.

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