Transvestism

Also, the fact that some of these men delight in making women uncomfortable with their presence, and that is part of the thrill is also not to be seen or acknowledged or talked about.

This. People are so naive about this. Or they don't care about women. Or both.

@Giggorata I feel like porn is a last bastion indicative of this same thing. Nice guys in RL - totally respect women. Same guys watching violent rape on the daily. Fine. It’s totally okay. Everyone does it.

[quote Sandinmyhooves]@TheCurrywurstPrion

Sadly, I concluded years ago that a lot of men who behave adequately when the lines are clear and well accepted societally, delight in stepping over boundaries as soon as it’s apparent they can do so without negative consequences.

My God if you haven’t just perfectly articulated the creeping realisation of my thirties.[/quote]
Quoting this yet again, as it encapsulates the situation perfectly, as far as I am concerned.

I wondered if TV is actually a thing or is just the lower end of Apples Grapes and Pears: that it was always that, but curtailed by not being socially acceptable.
TV was (just) socially acceptable, but the floodgates have been opened now with the onslaught of trans ideology and here we are, with transitioning men in droves, and the apparent disappearance of TVs and cross dressers.
Olderbager1's comments about the journeys from TV to trans of several men are noteworthy

The good old-fashioned ones simply became "trans".

I would like to be there at the end of this debate when the TRA teenagers realise that transsexual people already had equal rights, and that they weren't fighting for the extension of rights to gay and transsexual people, but rather they were fighting for the rights of heterosexual men.

Because their need to get off is more important than our need to feel safe.

@TheCurrywurstPrion

Sadly, I concluded years ago that a lot of men who behave adequately when the lines are clear and well accepted societally, delight in stepping over boundaries as soon as it’s apparent they can do so without negative consequences.

My God if you haven’t just perfectly articulated the creeping realisation of my thirties.

Many years ago I worked in acute mental health services. I met many men with severe and enduring mental health conditions and personality disorders. A high % had various paraphillias including cross dressing. Many had disturbing ideas about women
This was before the massive growth in trans ideology.

We know this. It is a thing. We're expected to never allude to it or mention it as a reason for why we don't want males in female spaces.

Transvestism is a really common paraphilia, and very common in sex offenders. Its like since the onset of the current madness most people have forgotten something that everyone used to know - some men find pretending to be women sexually exciting.

Sadly, I concluded years ago that a lot of men who behave adequately when the lines are clear and well accepted societally, delight in stepping over boundaries as soon as it’s apparent they can do so without negative consequences.

Presumably there are women who would do the same, but that doesn’t threaten my rights and safety in the same way.

I genuinely think all these well-meaning people who argue that these men are suffering and we shouldn’t turn them away, even if it means “letting a few bad apples in” have no idea what message they are sending out to all the men who are on that line. If they really think it’s not an open invitation to any dodgy man out there, then they are obviously very ignorant of human nature and (in my experience) men in particular.

Many years ago I worked in acute mental health services. I met many men with severe and enduring mental health conditions and personality disorders. A high % had various paraphillias including cross dressing. Many had disturbing ideas about women
This was before the massive growth in trans ideology. I have never felt comfortable with males who believe themselves to be women. I am not confident their idea of womanhood is that wholesome

OP, 10 minutes spent reading threads on old school transvestite/ crossdressing forums would be eye opening.

When I first got involved in this no-debate debate I got friendly with a couple of TVs who insisted they were allies, acknowledged they were men, and seemed genuinely respectful of women's spaces and rights. In one case it took about 6 months before the cross-dressing was permanent and they were wheedling their way in to all-women social groups and requiring a great deal of attention. The other one took longer and - I think - had more difficulty squaring their actions with their ethics. But the result was the same. It opened my eyes.