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Trans athlete wins in female swimming race

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bonfireheart · 19/03/2022 11:12

www.lbc.co.uk/news/female-swimmers-transgender-lia-thomas-podium-protest-atlanta-result/

Don't know how true this story is but wonder if the public reaction to stuff like this will become more common.

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SamphiretheStickerist · 21/03/2022 09:58

Oh! You mean telly!>?!?!?!

SamphiretheStickerist · 21/03/2022 09:56

That shoud be fun. I may leave a window open, in case my radio has to make a quick exit!

Somanysocks · 21/03/2022 09:30

Ah so that's why that Owen person is on the JV panel today.

machamac · 21/03/2022 09:27

They're going to be talking about whether it's 'fair' on Jeremy Vine this morning. Around 10am.

SamphiretheStickerist · 21/03/2022 08:54

@spacehardware

Greasy shoes is just trolling. He's a man who thinks it's funny to try to make women explain and justify their basic humanity to him. He doesn't like women and sounds angry and resentful.

Please just ignore this sad specimen.

Yep! We all know that. But we still post, for those who lurk. Having been one of those I know just how enlightening such exchanges can be.

So we can thank greasy for the repeated opportunities to explain how the simple science works in real life.

😊

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/03/2022 08:28

The Mail is covering the brave woman who was bumped out of the finals by Lia's cheating and has written to the NCAA in protest:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10633529/Virginia-Tech-swimmer-bumped-finals-Lia-Thomas-writes-letter-blasting-NCAA.html

spacehardware · 21/03/2022 08:28

Greasy shoes is just trolling. He's a man who thinks it's funny to try to make women explain and justify their basic humanity to him. He doesn't like women and sounds angry and resentful.

Please just ignore this sad specimen.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 21/03/2022 08:21

@ErrolTheDragon

I think the only response to greasyshoes is "You cannot be serious".
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SamphiretheStickerist · 21/03/2022 08:16

@greasyshoes

Oh. I see. I mean development squads, grass roots looking for girls, women to participate. I mean the ACE style funding, I mean everything from 5 - 20 years old that is different now than it was say 50 years ago. I mean EVERYTHING in and out of sport that has become more equitable between men and women, boys and girls.

While it may have become "more equitable", I think this is misleading because obviously sport for girl's does not receive the same funding or attention, and girl's aren't pushed to do sport the same way boys are. As a boy, I was pushed to play football, and do physical activity. I never saw girls being pushed the same way. And despite that, there are loads of women who are physically far stronger than I am. That can only mean biology is a small part of it.

Oh! The logic leaps continued!

Look, greasy whilst you obviously think that is all fine and dandy you are still ignoring the obvious. Lots of girls are stronger than boys? Yes. Individual comparisons allow you to make all sorts of statements that are true but do not represent the whole cohort. This strong girls, those weak boys would either be a mismatch or would be statistical outliers.

Do you not think that scientific investigation is a tad more involved than "I know a girl who was stronger than me"?

Like the Williams sisters. They are a lot stronger and faster than many men. Yet when against men who have trained the very same skill sets, are their make equivalent, they will lose. And we all know why.

That you are arguing that grass is pink doesn't make an inherent, innate truth from existing.

You supposed clever statements only serve to illustrate your simplicity of thought, lack of critical thinking.

theDudesmummy · 21/03/2022 08:00

I would quite like to listen to that but I so cannot stand Ferrari.

Noisyprat · 21/03/2022 07:43

Nick Ferrari covering this on LBC this morning

ErrolTheDragon · 21/03/2022 07:32

I think the only response to greasyshoes is "You cannot be serious".

Seema1234 · 21/03/2022 06:15

@greasyshoes. What 'societal factor' made LIa T a mediocre 400th something swimmer when he swam in the means team, but 1st in the women's team? Please explain.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 21/03/2022 03:08

The underlying argument is that the men's is for "cis" men, and the women's is for non-men, i.e. women and people of marginalised genders/gender identities.

This means women go in the non-men's transitioned males go in the non-men's, and transitioning females stay in the non-men's.

You hear "trans women are women" a lot from that crowd. Some of them even believe it. You don't hear "trans men are men" nearly as much, because they don't think TMAM!

miri1985 · 21/03/2022 02:40

Has anyone seen a competent argument about why both Lia Thomas and Iszac Henig should be allowed in the Womens competition? I don't understand how the two arguments can co-exist that a trans womans inclusion in the womens competition is fundamental for gender identity but also trans men should get to compete.

FWIW, I have no problem with Henig competing, I'm just wondering what is the argument that satisfies both Henig and Thomas competing in the Womens

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 21/03/2022 00:44

greasy is going to be sickened when he finds out how many men in the American armed forces pass annual fitness tests with ease even though they cope with military life by...being smokers and binge drinkers.

Datun · 20/03/2022 23:42

@greasyshoes

That's tennis though, which is a game that's as much about skill as it is about raw strength. It's an incredibly small sample size too, only two women; the majority of people won't be the best at any sport, no matter how hard they train.

I doubt the Williams sisters being unable to beat Braasch had anything to do with fitness or physical strength. Serena Williams is extremely powerful and physically strong. There's no way a smoker and binge drinker could be stronger than her.

Except he was tho. 🤣
Helleofabore · 20/03/2022 23:21

ROTFL

That is it wims! This poster is going to come back with shit everytime.

Seriously laughing that this joker thinks tennis champions haven’t got male advantage. Have you never noticed the speed males serve at? The power of their returns?

Fastest male serve at 263 km /h is 25% faster than Serena Williams’ fastest of 209 km/h. If you cannot understand how returning balls of that speed require not just strength to be able to control it, but also the musculature to protect the body from damage just connecting a racquet to serves of that kind of pace time and time again.

Plus, as I mentioned before there is now research that shows males have faster reaction time in processing what they see coming towards them and reacting.

Plus there is twitch muscles, necessary for speed to reach the ball.

You are absolutely having the biggest laugh to say males don’t have many physical advantages to playing tennis.

IamAporcupine · 20/03/2022 23:14

@greasyshoes

That's tennis though, which is a game that's as much about skill as it is about raw strength. It's an incredibly small sample size too, only two women; the majority of people won't be the best at any sport, no matter how hard they train.

I doubt the Williams sisters being unable to beat Braasch had anything to do with fitness or physical strength. Serena Williams is extremely powerful and physically strong. There's no way a smoker and binge drinker could be stronger than her.

Are you serious? So now the Williams sisters are an 'incredibly small sample size', but earlier on your claims were OK, even though they were n=1= you ? Confused
Midlifemusings · 20/03/2022 23:07

This is all just a joke for greasy, he is probably laughing away at people taking the time to seriously respond as he posts nonsense post after nonsense post. It doesn't impact him and he really doesn't care so it is just fun and games and a bit of a laugh on a boring day.

littlbrowndog · 20/03/2022 23:05

Greasy seems like you have never played tennis 🤣🤣🤣

You know fuck all about it

littlbrowndog · 20/03/2022 23:03

Lot of men coming out on Twitter tonight in support 💪

Trans athlete wins in female swimming race
titchy · 20/03/2022 23:03

Greasy: 'Top elite woman can beat mediocre men therefore women as a whole have no physical advantage'

Mate, wait till I tell you about the existence of elite men - you're gonna be mind blown!

ErrolTheDragon · 20/03/2022 22:56

@greasyshoes

That's tennis though, which is a game that's as much about skill as it is about raw strength. It's an incredibly small sample size too, only two women; the majority of people won't be the best at any sport, no matter how hard they train.

I doubt the Williams sisters being unable to beat Braasch had anything to do with fitness or physical strength. Serena Williams is extremely powerful and physically strong. There's no way a smoker and binge drinker could be stronger than her.

Are you seriously trying to say the Williams sisters lost against this low ranked man with a not exactly dedicated-sounding training regime because they were less skilled than him? Come off it. How bloody insulting and ignorant.