Trans athlete wins in female swimming race

A man, a man has appeared. Better still two men.

There we were saying elite women cannot compete with elite men, but we made the mistake of not being men so our opinions don't count.

Male 1 - greasy - I have an amazing new idea, i.e. open category.

Male 2 - dad - women are fine being shoved aside by men.

What is it then guys, as you clearly want to mansplain to us the perfect answer?

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@greasyshoes if you think it is likely that the enormous list of physical difference between men and women only cause a small fraction of the difference in sporting performance between men and women why do you think the difference is more or less consistent across the entire range of events? Surely if societal attitudes account for 99% of differences the gap would be much closer in events that women have been able to participate in for over a century e.g. the 100m than in events that were only recently added to the female event rota e.g. the pole vault. What about things such as gymnastics and dance that are seen traditionally feminine pursuits many more girls train in ballet than boys so why aren't girls lifting other girls? How come "unmanly" dancer boys that have turned their backs on "macho" sport in favour of "girly" pursuits have manage to muster the strength to lift females partners?

FFS you really need to read more about this topic before posting. This alternative has been discussed endlessly.

Greasy - Who gives a fuck whether or not the men's category is open to everyone. The point is, women will have no fucking chance. So you have to protect women's sport.

And DadJoke, no female athlete is going to be happy being usurped by a cheating man. Forget it.

Two categories...

X and Y based upon which chromosome a person has. We could even call the categories, oh, I don't know. Men and women?

I'd personally like to thank greasy. Not sure if he's a troll, an incel or genuinely just really thick.
But his constant barrage of stupidity is bringing forward an army of eloquent, erudite women who are patiently and unendingly destroying his nonsense.
As someone who knows it's nonsense but is in a process of trying to learn the facts and understand the arguments, this is an education for me for which I am so grateful.

On here…

‘The "women only" category could continue to exist, without any transgender women or transgender men, with the justification being that it promotes female participation in sport.’

@greasyshoes oh that’s so very generous of you, thanks so much for allowing us to participate in sport, so incredibly grateful.

Greasy.

Wow greasy you now accept what we have all been saying, 2 sporting categories; open and female only.

That's not what I've been reading. All the commentary I've seen on Lia Thomas has argued that she should compete in a "male" category.

Greasy arrived there with his special man logic though, so his opinion is extra special

Wow greasy you now accept what we have all been saying, 2 sporting categories; open and female only.

Oh do sod off with the mansplaining! That, and variations on it, have been mooted squillions of times! Do you think that because we are female we are stupid?

You remain unconvinced of some very basic biology, despite what some very eminent scientists say on the matter, and expect to be taken seriously on anything?

Nope! You have very successfully destroyed any semblance of your own credibility.

Trans women do not belong in womens sports as they are not women. That's not transphobic, it's a fact. They should never be allowed to compete in womens sports. The biological makeup should determine the category they compete in, and his would be male.

Although I have said I am unconvinced that women can't compete against transwomen, I have also seen that there are a lot of passionate people who believe that it's unfair to have transwomen and women in the same category. I thought of a possible solution today.

In terms of respecting trans women who wish to identify and live as women, I think instead of having "female" and "male" categories in sport, there could simply be a "universal" category along with a separate "female" category.

The "universal" category would allow anyone to compete... male, female, disabled, transgender women, transgender men, etc., etc. Given that men generally achieve the best results (regardless of the cause), in practice, this category would likely be dominated by men (which is fine, because this category is effectively replacing the men-only category).

The "women only" category could continue to exist, without any transgender women or transgender men, with the justification being that it promotes female participation in sport.

And Erica Sullivan may be happy to give up her own trophies and successes to a male, but what about the female athletes who aren't happy to do that? Is Erica just willing to throw them under the bus, because male needs are simply more important?

"It's possible to have a reasonable discussion that she shouldn't have been grandfathered in to this event, or even look at trans women in women's sport without being transphobic, but I've not seen that happen."

So, everything you've read here and elsewhere about why trans women don't belong in women's sports is transphobic? All of it?

Righto

Here's an idea. If facts are transphobic, we don't care about being transphobic. It's a meaningless term designed to silence. And it's stopped working.

What else you got?

I suggest you read what gay athelete Erica Sullivan has to say. This is wholehearted support from someone who considers her struggles to be similar.

Can you imagine a bloke writing an article like that? Can you imagine elite male athletes falling over themselves to be inclusive of people who have an advantage over them in their sport? Can you imagine men being so desperate to 'be kind?

Ask yourself an honest question @DadJoke. Why are you ignoring the voices of so many women to support an ideology that has hurt so many already?

As I acknowledged in that post, there are plenty of other mainstream media sources carrying exactly the same information. Many behind a paywall. Use Google, you will find them.

Unless of course that is, again, just the word of some women, lying!

And you are misinterpreting that table, I suspect!

Do you think that HRT exists to slow women down? Given that Thomas is male it doesn't have the same effect as it would in a woman, is replacing nothing, it is adding a chemical male bodies don't synthesise - for good reason.

You suggested that the athletes who supported her were being supportive to keep their sponsorship - in other words, lying.

Being coerced. Frightened. Bullied. Gaslit.

You suggested that the athletes who supported her were being supportive to keep their sponsorship - in other words, lying.

Who cares why they support a male athlete taking the place of a woman in a swimming competition. They are obviously happy, despite being fully aware of the vast advantages a male body has over a female body in swimming, to throw members of their own sex under the bus and therefore their so called " support"should be treated with the contempt that it deserves.