Trans athlete wins in female swimming race

[quote MalagaNights]The democratic supreme court justice nominee can't define women as she's not a biologist.
Soon to be part of the highest legal body in the USA.
This is far from over:

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AAAAARRRRGH! Why are people being so ridiculous??!!

TRAs eould of course try to lay claim to any new word we came up with. They are already trying with 'female'. They don't want to acknowledge any differences between us.

If the word women includes men, then we need a new word for women as an anatomically same group, for times when the definition is needed, e.g. women's healthcare.

Far simpler for TW to remain TW in name and definition, leaving women to continue to mean women.

Abortion law is based on beliefs. Everyone has them. They do not depend on facts. They wholly depend upon someones response to facts around the termination of pregnancy. Laws about abortion rights stem from those beliefs. Many people think that 24 weeks is too late into a pregnancy to abort 'on a whim' / aka because the woman wants to. That is their belief. They are entitleed to it and I am entitled to fight them should they want to change it here in Great Britain.

Knowing that humans come in 2 sexes is a fact. It requires no belief. It simply is. There are no laws stating this, it is simply biology.

So I can understand the very same facts about abortion and disagree with Ron de Santis whilst sharing with his logical take on sexed bodies. That doesn't make me a right wing fascist, nazi, nasty person.

The democratic supreme court justice nominee can't define women as she's not a biologist.
Soon to be part of the highest legal body in the USA.
This is far from over:

twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1506451123674173443?t=Z6SoQu4F9JY_kwOfPgGqzg&s=19

I think I'm just love with Julia Hartley Brewer after that interview.

No-one ever asks a politician to define a man, do they.

I know it's maybe not so much of an issue for men in terms of safety or sports, and the TRA movement seems to be all about the transwomen anyway, but the question should still be asked at the same time; what is the definition of a man.

And if the answer is "adult human males and transmen" then the logical conclusion of this must surely be that men are perfectly fine with women transmen wandering around their changing rooms and using urinals next to them.

I mean, it would never happen because the number of women who'd want to do that must be vanishingly small, but I'm sure that most (decent) men wouldn't be comfortable with that idea at all. I know my DH wouldn't, anyway!

Oh, and also for transmen to have equal inheritance rights in all those estates that automatically go down the male line, even if there is an elder daughter. But I think we all know which men would be considered "real" men there, don't we.

Respectful? You first, mate. Try to respect women, and women's rights, and have the decency to try to figure out why women refuse to calm down dear about this.

The trouble with people like James Murray and the labour party is they want to say TWAW, but they don't want it to be unpicked. They can't.

They want to say yes they're women, but they can still be excluded.

And they don't want it to go any further than that sentence.

Because, James, saying TWAW is not just a soundbite.

It has to be analysed.

And of course, don't forget, you absolute numpty, that any man, any single man, including every predator in the country can be one.

The definition of a woman is absolutely anyone. But we can exclude some of them?

You want less heat, and a conversation, so let's hear it, on what basis will you exclude these 'women'?

Sick to death of all this pussyfooting around and not acknowledging the implications of what's being said.

Let's hear it.

Who are you excluding, how are you doing it and what is the collective word for that group??

If they cannot even pin down a basic understanding of language and the need for clarity and distinction then no, they have no business going anywhere near law and God help us with the economy.

On the STV website(I can't do links yet):
Ron de Santis, Governor of the state of Florida, has not recognised Lia Thomas as the winner of the weekend swimming championships and has proclaimed Emma the true winner. He has a great deal to say about the matter .

That was a glorious interview.

JHB did a great job of pointing out the contradictions and ridiculousness of it all.

• So if transwomen are women but you can apply single sex exemptions to sport, you are saying that it's ok to exclude some women from competing against other women

• so if a woman is an adult human female and a transwomen, men are women, and a woman is...well, there's no such thing

• don't you think it's odd that you, a man, are telling me, a woman, what a woman is

I mean, do these politicians actually seriously believe that a transwomen is a women? Because if they do, I don't want them in charge of drafting new legislation!

Saying that the category for women's sport should be segregated which includes transwomen. But then the exceptions in the equality act can be used to exclude them. Julia says so they're not women then, and he replies, oh no, they are women.

And kept banging on and fucking on about it being too heated and a sensitive subject. Until Julia says she agrees it's heated and it bloody well should be.

She argues that if a woman is a female and a male, then they're 'nothing' and asks him how he can hold both those thoughts in his head at once - that a woman is male and female.

The list of what the finance secretary to the Treasury is responsible for is long and involved.

Who the fuck do these men think they're kidding??

They know what a woman is, but they utterly refuse to say so, because they have been petrified into barefaced, deceitful misogyny.

Who the hell would trust anyone like that?

Slithering, slimy invertebrates, the lot of them.

About 2.27.01
Julia Hartley Brewer asking Labour spokesman about transwomen in female sport and what a woman is. I almost felt sorry for him.

Ron de Santis opposes gender ideology and he's using the Lia case to illustrate why.

He's also anti abortion.

You may agree with him on one but not the other.

Go on, liberate yourself from your own ideological purity.

Julia Hartley Brewer was on 🔥 this morning pointing out to the labour spokesperson how illogical: a woman is an adult human female and TWAW position is.

She said: so a woman is an adult female and a man.
So nothing then?

He asked her to be calm and respectful she said she wasn't going to be.

Fucking right wingers again 😉

Florida abortion law bans abortions after 15 weeks - signed by Ronnie boy.

I reacted the way I did because I think Ron de Santis is using Emma Weyant for his own political purposes.

I am quite enjoying the whole idea of women's rights and equalities being a sign of evil right wing extremism

The left is now so far up its own bottom it's suffocating.

But since the idea that kind of sexist and paternalist head-patting being even remotely acceptable went out with the Carry On films about fifty years ago, it's all a bit late really.

Just because they are right wing doesn't mean they get everything wrong. Just as being on the left doesn't make you always in the right!

Well said. Political fundamentalism is dangerous. When left-wing politicians feel they must adopt a misogynistic, false premise such as 'transwomen are women', because they're afraid of being ostracised (or called a Tory) for their valid opinion, you know something is wrong.

that lefting and righting was getting a bit close to a comedy skit - my apologies)

I too am so bored with it.

If even right wngeres can see that this is madness then you know there is a real problem. Just because they are right wing doesn't mean they get everything wrong. Just as being on the left doesn't make you always in the right!

(that lefting and righting was getting a bit close to a comedy skit - my apologies)

Good for him!