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Trans athlete wins in female swimming race

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bonfireheart · 19/03/2022 11:12

www.lbc.co.uk/news/female-swimmers-transgender-lia-thomas-podium-protest-atlanta-result/

Don't know how true this story is but wonder if the public reaction to stuff like this will become more common.

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Midlifemusings · 19/03/2022 17:49

@greasyshoes

I am not suggesting. That is just biological fact. Look at every record or qualifying time / weight in every sport and you will see that yes, men are stronger than women.

Of course every individual man is not stronger than every individual women but when comparing apples to apples (competitive athletes) then yes men are stronger than women. It would even take quite a high degree of fitness for a woman to be stronger than an unfit man.

In what arena or context are men not stronger than women?

greasyshoes · 19/03/2022 17:42

However pretty much all trans women who are athletes will beat biological female athletes. It isn't an anomaly at all. Just the reality of being biologically male.

Are you suggesting that men are stronger than women?

Midlifemusings · 19/03/2022 16:37

@greasyshoes

It isn't about the average person. Of course there are unfit men, obese men, non swimmer men etc who could all be easily beat in a swim race by a woman. However when you take athletes - who are all at their fittest and training hard - the men are leagues beyond the best of the women, in pretty much every sport. Often high school teen boys can swim or run similar times to women's world and Olympic records.

Lia has been able to easily beat her competitors who are Olympic medalists without even trying or giving a best effort. Her splits show she slows down to avoid getting too far ahead. They are just on different playing fields.

Of course there are individual biological advantages within a biological sex. Michael Phelps also had an advantage against most male athletic swimmers - but he is an anomaly. However pretty much all trans women who are athletes will beat biological female athletes. It isn't an anomaly at all. Just the reality of being biologically male.

Statistically if trans women are .5% of all athletes, they should win .5% of the time. However in most sports, the transwomen immediately rise to the top and break the records and win the events.

greasyshoes · 19/03/2022 16:29

Lia is noticeably taller and broader than the other swimmers.

I'm a man. Plenty of women are taller and broader than me. I have no doubts that these women could swim faster than me. Biology is pretty diverse and there are extremes at both ends of the male and female bell curves.

There are also lots of men who are taller and broader than me. Should I have my own category in sports so I don't have to compete against tall men? What about basketball?

Soubriquet · 19/03/2022 13:01

Good for them for protesting. It’s not fair

Lia is noticeably taller and broader than the other swimmers. They had no chance

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 19/03/2022 12:58

Lia Thomas won?

It’s a saturnalia miracle…

Oh.

Wait….

PatchworkElmer · 19/03/2022 12:50

It’s true.

SamphiretheStickerist · 19/03/2022 12:47

Why would you doubt it's being true?

Binglebong · 19/03/2022 12:17

Hope the

I love autocorrect!

Binglebong · 19/03/2022 12:16

You hyperthermia protest is true or that they will get punished for it?

PinkGinBigGrin · 19/03/2022 12:05

I certainly hope so!

Binglebong · 19/03/2022 12:04

Yep, it's true. And it's cheating.

Those women will probably be punished for it. Sad

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