Trans athlete wins in female swimming race

A transwoman competing in womens sports, is like me competing in small children sports.

There might be an 8 year old who could beat me, but realistically, I would beat those 8 year olds any day

Everyone wants to compete in the womens categories. Locally, FTM want to stay on the ladies teams when they transition or want to join the local ladies teams for a variety of sports and the MTF do too! Local clubs for contact sports for women will close as young women leave due to fear on the injuries they might sustain. The college MTF athletes will soon be filtering into elite national teams. There isn't as much money in womens sport as mens. If FTM could actually take on the men then I think there would be a mega outcry and sports bodies wouldn't be pushing inclusion. I wonder what clubs do about insurance? I could see contact sports lawsuits for injury a plenty in the future.

I' m a man. Plenty of women are taller and broader than me. I have no doubts that these women could swim faster than me. Biology is pretty diverse and there are extremes at both ends of the male and female bell curves.

OFFS another man pretending that just because they are a smaller than average male, that all elite male athletes have no advantage over female elite athletes.

This approach to argumentation of "if I make myself say stupid enough things this will bamboozle my opponents" is a losing strategy. OK for certain parts of twitter but eventually you have to have a reality-based discussion. Like in a court or in a strict scientific context.

The data on this website brings the differences between male and female athletes into sharp focus - comparing performance of elite females with the top school-age boys. Hardly any female Olympians would win a medal if competing against good schoolboys.
boysvswomen.com/#/

Nor am I.

Deal with it and stop with the whataboutery.

This is about a fair field of competitors. Having Lia Thomas in this field is not fair.

If it makes no difference where are all the f2m's smashing it in men's swimming?

"If so, we're doing them a terrible disservice. It might explain how many girls seem to support inclusion of trans women in women's sports."

I completely agree. It's depressing

Sadly, I think films and media that show 'kick ass' women fighting with men have misled a lot of people to think that it can actually be like that. Unfortunately Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Captain Marvel aren't real.

Dd was horrified at my sexism when I made an observation about men being stronger than women. (I think I'd asked my husband to open a jam jar for me or something.) I had to gently explain that equality doesn't mean pretending we're the same. Are girls really going out into the world thinking they can enter into a physical fight or compete physically with men? If so, we're doing them a terrible disservice. It might explain how many girls seem to support inclusion of trans women in women's sports. Presumably they just think all the women athletes of the past just haven't been trying as hard as the men...

Oh, and have a look at the top times / weight lifted / speed achieved / height jumped / javelin thrown etc in ALL OF HISTORY.

What sex class achieved the greatest results?
Why was that?

No-one is suggesting that men are stronger than women.

We are SAYING CATERGORICALLY that men are stronger than women.
Seriously, does anyone even believe otherwise?
Yes, there are exceptions to every rule. There are short men, thin men, weak men, overweight men, who might all be "weaker" than a woman.
But on the whole, across the board, pick your cliche, men are stronger, faster, taller, heavier, and bigger then women.

Every five year old knows this but apparently we need to explain to grown adults in the year 2022.
That's why a mediocre man competing in his OWN sex class suddenly out runs / out swims / out lifts / out jumps a top level natal woman when he decides to compete in a sex class he does NOT belong in.

You know.......biology and all that.

Most 13 year old boys have greater arm strength than most women.
Even small, skinny weaker men will naturally be stronger than most women.

Teen boys football team beat the top women's team.

Stop pretending that you think women as a sex class are just as strong as men as a sex class because we all know that is bullshit.

Lol at you thinking men should be allowed to take women's places, medals and prize money because female Olympic level swimmers could beat YOU in a race.

Everyone knows that the average man is stronger than the average women

They just pretend not to know

I honestly think some people are so simplistic in their thinking "women are just as good as men" they actually think there are no physical differences

It's not a value judgement to say men are faster, stronger snd bigger on average than us. The existence of tall women and short men doesn't change this.

How the fuck have we got to a point where someone can in all seriousness seem shocked that men are stronger than women.

greasy might be trolling, but it isn’t an unusual stance.

This is getting a lot of airing lately

Plus Lia on the podium -

A man smaller than me would be able to really hurt me in a physical fight, would be able to overpower me in an attack. It is a fact of our biology and one of the many reasons why women in general are wary of men they don't know.

Of course as a group men are stronger than women.

On average men have 10kg more skeletal mass, 40 per cent more upper body strength and 33 per cent more lower body strength than women.

If women had the above, they would also need to be larger with bigger bones to support the extra muscle mass.

There's another thread running about it here

Where all the reasons why this is wrong (and why you're wrong @greasyshoes) are very well explained.

Why do we have women’s sport?

To promote women's participation in sport.

@greasyshoes

Why do we have women’s sport?