Trans athlete wins in female swimming race

@SamphiretheStickerist - can I too?

I am currently having a discussion with someone (*) who argues that the physical differences between males and females are due to socialization... . That we are weaker beacuse of Dysney basically. She cites Colette Dawling, who I must admit have not read. It would be great to have your input

(*) she also finds 'difficult' to 'decide' what is male/female...

I would also suggest in snooker that height and arm span etc have some effect.

I thought initially greasy was on the wind up, now I can see he had just used the usual poorly thought out reasons.

There are only a few sports where males don’t have an advantage. There are now studies that show male reaction times are faster because their brain processes messages from their eyes faster.

There are also lung advantages for some sports where speed is not the issue but being able to hold your body completely still and control your breathing to target is needed.

And then they have only just begun investigating the effects of menstruation.

Only a fool would propose that the main reason for women’s sport is to increase participation though.

Well duh. If women can’t win anything, why would they participate? FFS.

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Is he sponsored by anyone

Student at an Ivy League University so, unless from an extremely wealthy family, may have a swimming scholarship but no sponsorship as such.

Is he sponsored by anyone?

Can we boycott the company?

Times have moved on. Circles are spheres. Etc.

I saw a twitter justification that pre transition Lia was 10 seconds behind the mens record and post transition they were 10 seconds behind the woman's wold record. I can't find it to link now.

This is the kind of statistical bollocks the TWAW crowd use.

True about childrens sports day.

My dc are in primary school, and even then, sports day is divided by sex.

For example, year 1 boys, year 1 girls.

Maybe greasy shoes also thinks the earth is flat and you can fall off the end, as it makes about as much sense as their belief that there is no real physical difference between male and female athletes.

@greasyshoes Just ask yourself how many male to female trans athletes. Lia never even broke the top 500 when competing on the men's team...but when competing as a female with about ten times the testosterone level of a biological female, suddenly (s)he wins. Hallelujah, it's a miracle!!

This is a parenting website greasyshoes. Many of the people you're addressing are parents - mothers and fathers. Of girls and boys.

Have you ever watched a PE lesson, been to games afternoon, attended a swimming gala, sports day?? Seen kids play???

Even if no-one tells you boys are stronger than girls, watching them for five seconds makes it blisteringly obvious.

Says it all.

there are extremes at both ends of the male and female bell curves.

He knows there's a male and a female bell curve, he said so in his first daft post. He presumably knows they're significantly displaced from each other.

Oh look another wind up merchant, why do you all keep wasting your time replying to these fuckwits?

@greasyshoes

So where does this leave womens participation in contact sports then? Should women accept the increased risk of serious injury.. .

The stance, the body shape, the walk are all male. The long hair is the only female bit there. This is why people don't want them to compete. A few drugs do not change man into a woman. You should only be able to compete with everything done, not a little part of it just enough to qualify as female for long enough to win.

[quote foodfiend]The data on this website brings the differences between male and female athletes into sharp focus - comparing performance of elite females with the top school-age boys. Hardly any female Olympians would win a medal if competing against good schoolboys.
boysvswomen.com/#/[/quote]
thanks for sharing this @foodfiend

Women have worked bloody hard to be allowed to participate in sports. We couldn’t run a marathon until 1983 as they thought our insides would drop out. If women don’t have their own category then we might as well have just one group called men - oh hang on we are nearly there already. It isn’t just about women participating I actually like watching female sports. I like women’s football. But we are not equal in size etc so please can men please stop trying to dismantle women’s sports.

I haven’t RTFT but leaving this here for greasyshoes
It’s the NHS/WHO growth charts for newborn babies, most parents will be familiar with these. The graphs are different for the two sexes. Because sex matters. Even before puberty boys are - on average - bigger and stronger. And we all know this, and have always known this. FFS.

www.rcpch.ac.uk/resources/uk-who-growth-charts-0-4-years

Now Stop trolling.

"How could men have any biological advantage over women in darts or snooker, for example?"

LOL!

Very disingenuous of you. Sport is about more than participation - it's also about winning. Why do women have to lose out on the possibility of winning if males are allowed to compete alongside them?

Winning isn't the reason why women have their own category in sport. Even if we grant that men are stronger, faster, etc. etc. than women, there are still women's categories in sports in which men would have absolutely no advantage over women at all.

How could men have any biological advantage over women in darts or snooker, for example? And yet, there are women-only categories in darts and snooker.