Trans athlete wins in female swimming race

[quote greasyshoes]@butnobodytoldme

Isn't that a bit insulting to women? To compare women's sport to an under 5s egg and spoon race?[/quote]
Have you not heard of the male who identifies as a little girl?

Maybe, just maybe you are missing the very pertinent analogy being used here.

Isn't that a bit insulting to women? To compare women's sport to an under 5s egg and spoon race?

What is insulting to women is men who think they have the right to compete in women's sports and take the awards / places that rightfully belong to women.

[quote greasyshoes]@butnobodytoldme

Isn't that a bit insulting to women? To compare women's sport to an under 5s egg and spoon race?[/quote]
It's called an analogy. Google it if you're not sure what one is.

And Sports Council England here:
equalityinsport.org/docs/300921/Guidance%20for%20Transgender%20Inclusion%20in%20Domestic%20Sport%202021.pdf

Conclusion - if you are ‘inclusive’ this will not be fair or safe.

Looool after all the utter drivel you’ve spouted you then clutch your pearls & talking about things being insulting

Lbh you thought you’d swan in here, mansplain at the silly mummies & leave feeling superiors & smug

As it is….

World Rugby did a really good analysis on the difference between men and women when developing their transgender guidelines

www.world.rugby/the-game/player-welfare/guidelines/transgender

@butnobodytoldme

Isn't that a bit insulting to women? To compare women's sport to an under 5s egg and spoon race?

Well, there must be a word for a man who insists on finding a way to enter the under 5's egg and spoon race.

"Winner" is not the word.

Oddly they tend to transition after they've hit peak male levels of competition (Hubbard, the Kiwi cyclist, Kardashian sr), and switch to competing as the women they apparently always were 🤷‍♀️

My partner, same height as me, weighs the same as me had never run before he met me. Within weeks he was running faster than me. Even if I try really really hard I cannot beat this middle age, flabby male. Just look at park run stats - more men beat women than women beat men.

I wonder whether there are any instances of men at the top of their sport who then go on to identify as women?

Has happened in Paralympic running. Valentina Petrillo had a successful Paralympic career in Italy in the male category and then transitioned and qualified for Tokyo at the age of 47 I believe.

Mean Girls Alert!

I genuinely think that some men going blindly through life have no idea about the physical disparity between men and women. Because they are not subjected to the same kind of dominance, they don't see it.

Not sure what made you say that, because I have been bullied by both men and women, and also physically hurt by women in the workplace. So I believe I have been subjected to it.

For anybody who might be lurking, I'd ask you to consider how (even on a discussion board) actions speak louder than words.

Only observe the slippery, cherry-picking, game-playing, dismissive, obfuscatory and slyly contemptuous style of a particular poster in addressing the detailed posts of the women on MN.

Then consider for yourselves: Does this poster's actions show that they really believe in the equal value of female humans' dignity, opinions and achievements?

And then ask yourselves: If even the advocates of genderism can't suppress through their actions that they don't believe their own words when they claim the indistinguishability of males and females, why should YOU give a moment's credence to it?

I genuinely think that some men going blindly through life have no idea about the physical disparity between men and women. Because they are not subjected to the same kind of dominance, they don't see it.

Greasy, if men couldn't physically dominate women, we wouldn't live in a patriarchy.

I think we have all got the message that greasy is an undersized man who just believes that just because he, along with 80 year old John Smith with the bad hip, can't beat Dina Asher Smith, that means no men can possibly be better athletes than women and if they are, it's all because us girls weren't allowed to get our pretty dresses dirty when we were playing.

Honestly, have you actually read any of the latest studies in to the physical sports advantages that males have?

yes or no

I take it that that is a 'no' then greasy.

Good to know.

And despite that, there are loads of women who are physically far stronger than I am. That can only mean biology is a small part of it.

No. It really doesn't mean that at all. What it does indicate though that as well as not being an elite athlete, you're also a bit lacking academically.

Oh, and in case you're visually impaired - most women are also pretty flabby and unfit. So that fact that lots a blokes are, is pretty irrelevant.

Greasy, you forget most of us here are mothers. Many of us have sons. My ten year old sons were faster and stronger than me. You are talking complete rot.

You are wrong in your belief that there are loads of women who are physically stronger than you unless you have a disability affecting muscle strength.

You have to keep in mind that very few men are like the huge, 6'2'' muscular men you see on TV all the time. Most of us are fairly weak and flabby. I wouldn't be surprised if 50% of women were physically stronger and faster than I am.

@greasyshoes

You are wrong in your belief that there are loads of women who are physically stronger than you unless you have a disability affecting muscle strength.

Although I think you are just trolling and know very well that men are biologically stronger than women. Young kids know this.

Oh. I see. I mean development squads, grass roots looking for girls, women to participate. I mean the ACE style funding, I mean everything from 5 - 20 years old that is different now than it was say 50 years ago. I mean EVERYTHING in and out of sport that has become more equitable between men and women, boys and girls.

While it may have become "more equitable", I think this is misleading because obviously sport for girl's does not receive the same funding or attention, and girl's aren't pushed to do sport the same way boys are. As a boy, I was pushed to play football, and do physical activity. I never saw girls being pushed the same way. And despite that, there are loads of women who are physically far stronger than I am. That can only mean biology is a small part of it.

www.edweek.org/leadership/statistics-on-school-sports-how-many-students-play-sports-which-sports-do-they-play/2021/07

Forgot to include source for stats.

@greasyshoes

If you look at the US, there are quite a few states that have very close to equal particpation in girl and boy sports in high school. Across the country, track and field is 488K girls to 605K boys in 2018-2019.

There is not a major disparity. Somes states have near equal participation and specific programs for girls in sport.

The bigger discriminator is parental income. Both girls and boys from higher SES homes are far more likely to play competitive sports than those from average or low income homes.