JK Rowling article

I wouldn't agree though that one's gender is a product of one's gametes though (although for most people, their gender will match their gametes! I wouldn't deny that!).

Some people are born infertile: they make no gametes, however still have a gender! So although it's correlated with gametes, it's not caused by them!

Some people stop producing gametes during their life, either through menopause, medical intervention, illness or something else. Yet they retain their gender, so again, it must be something aside from gamete production.

This one is a thought experiment, so it's obviously not real (yet) but the argument is still valid in principle: imagine the transplant of a female reproductive system into a man. His gender wouldn't change just because of this, in fact in this hypothetical scenario he may even retain the ability to make sperm.

I hope that this demonstrates that although gametes (of those who produce them) match gender in 99% of people, they are not the cause of one's gender.

The rhetorical question was there to demonstrate that your diagram either doesn't capture every position, or misrepresents the views of those arguing for trans rights.

At least you've admitted that you are arguing for trans rights and are not remotely interested in women's rights despite your faux posts pretending to be.

Really, anyone telling me that I need to learn to provide male people with sex I don't want and don't enjoy because it's a social duty that's apparently a birthright of biological females (but sex isn't a thing), is not going to like the answer they get.

These people are definitely exhibiting some homophobic actions (for example telling other gay people that they are not homosexual because they date trans people).

So like being sexist by telling a man he's not a woman? Or being racist for telling a white person he's not black? Or being anti-vegan for telling a meat-eater he's not a vegan?

I'm not anti-dog if I say your cat is not a dog.

You're not anti-feminist when you point out your Matt Walsh chap is not a feminist.

Sorry, words have meanings. You don't just get to counter by saying someone is "anti-X" when they point out that something/someone is "not X".

I'm a homosexual female. I don't go to Pride or any groups any more because they're openly anti homosexual females and I encounter a lot of homophobia that lesbians are people of either sex who may or may not have exclusive sexual preferences for one/both/multiple sexes. Which is obvious nonsense because the word 'lesbian' means homosexual (sex, biological) female.

Otherwise what's the point of having the word at all.

Anyone insisting that a woman should be called names for exerting her right to have a sexuality that excludes male people from her body, has a real problem with women, women's rights and homosexuality.

And as for the whole 'lesbians should learn to cope with sex with male bodied people for political reasons' ala Rachel Mckinnon who came out with that gem?? Sex is a social duty for females to provide for males without expectation of enjoyment or reciprocation is it?

Call me what ever names you feel like. I've got no problem working out what I think of people who treat women and homosexual women in this way. And I wouldn't want to be spending any time around them.

Which makes it very difficult to know exactly how many homosexuals are now no longer anywhere to be seen at Pride and groups because they've been colonised and taken over by a particular political position that is exclusionary and aggressively hostile/intolerant of them. Rather like how many females are now without any resources so that male people can have absolute freedom in selecting from all the resources.

Morally this isn't too shiny is it? Not kind. Not inclusive.

• Where do I fit in?

• Gender can be oppressive
• Gender can be celebrated
• 100% accept gender variation
• Gender is a social construct
• Some sexed characteristics are changeable and some are not (yet)*

Looks like you’re mostly in the top box. Of course sexual characteristics can be changed - but that’s not changing the sex you are. It’s not going to affect your gametes. And I can enjoy my gender, some of the time, while also being aware that it can be oppressive, and absolutely being aware that it is largely constructed.

The rhetorical question was there to demonstrate that your diagram either doesn't capture every position, or misrepresents the views of those arguing for trans rights.

It wasn't my diagram, and why does it need to capture 'every position'?

"You seem to be conveniently unaware of the fact that in the UK a lot of people on GC side are actually gay. Do you think they are homophobic as well? "

Firstly, I think it's a loud minority. Look at the turnout of gay people one sees at trans-inclusive pride marches, compared to trans exclusionary events.

Its possible to be transphobic without being homophobic, this accounts for some.

I think what covers the most part is the realisation that it's not just some strict binary of "you're homophobic or you're not". These people are definitely exhibiting some homophobic actions (for example telling other gay people that they are not homosexual because they date trans people).

One can be homophobic and gay at the same time. There are also transphobic trans people and misogynistic women.

What do you think about all the women who fought against women's suffrage?

Why do you need someone to give you a label and a box to be in?

• Gender can be oppressive
• Gender can be celebrated
• 100% accept gender variation
• Gender is a social construct
• Some sexed characteristics are changeable and some are not (yet)

Do you know….

I’d really like to say that anyone who likes egg mayo is ok by me but I’m fairly positive that if i do someone will point out that hitler, or putin or pol pot liked egg mayo too and then I’ll be exactly the same as a dictator 🤔

So I’m not gonna say it

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You’re right it is a deep ideological divide, it may well be impassable 😟

(And zombie is right as well…i should have made a citizens arrest for the safety of everyone, but its too late 😩)

OK, Rufus, I'm with you on the egg mayo (although I sometimes use yoghurt to reduce salt content for my toddler BUT DON'T TELL ANYONE). But the question is, can we campaign together on that, while knowing we have such a deep ideological divide in other areas?

Pretty sure the OP is totally stirring. But anyway, here’s a handy diagram I saw on here years ago. Highlights the key bleeding obvious differences between the GC position, and the right wing position, and why people can be disingenuously implying they’re rooted in the same thing - but clearly aren’t.

Glad you said that - I couldn't be arsed.

Some comments from someone proud to be a friend of JKR's.

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Roll back abortion rights? You're on the wrong side of the Atlantic chum, this is the UK

The UK excluding NI, (where progress is being made started by Stella Creasey's cross- bench campaign which was supported by Tories, including Tory grandees like Andrea Leadsom and Sir Peter Bottomley) has one of the most liberal regimes and longest "on demand" time limits in the world. And for most women free as well.

Pre- Covid women were still travelling from the oh so liberal and progressive Irish Republic to the UK to have abortions.

There isn't any demand for roll back of abortion rights in the UK.

That's a good article. Thanks for posting I wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

I used to go to a little sandwich shop that advertised egg mayo sandwiches but they made them with salad cream

BUT THATS NOT EGG MAYO…THE CLUE IS IN THE FUCKING NAME