Emma Nicholson in the Times

[quote Rightsraptor]@RobinMoiraWhite: it's for anyone changing any existing arrangements to prove that the new ones do not cause harm and are, they might hope, actually beneficial. Who benefits from males on women's wards? Not women, that's for sure.

You, Robin, are the one who was recently boasting how you'd sorted out the parental leave arrangements for a confused-sex couple, where the 'man' was the one actually pregnant and going to give birth. You arranged for this person to have the paternity leave (do correct me if I got this wrong) and the ejaculator to have the maternity leave. So the 'birthing parent' would have two weeks off work after the birth and you seemed to think that fine and dandy.

Those of us here who have given birth and/or have worked within its sphere will know how brutal that is. You did that, Robin, unknowingly maybe as you have zero experience of it yourself. You did that brutal act. That was vile.[/quote]
That's difficult to believe.

A female who's given birth gets two weeks off, because of trans ideology? And the father gets the full maternity leave instead?

Dear god.

Robin, you obviously don't know this, but even if everything goes according to plan, it takes a year for a female's body to recover from growing and producing an entirely new human.

This is male supremacism.

There isn't a single, solitary benefit for women. None.

My opinion of someone who deliberately helps to prevent a mother from having maternity leave because of an ideology that only benefits males, could not be lower.

Unless I've got this all wrong? Someone tell me I've got it wrong, because I really am having trouble believing it.

Somebody was in a strop yesterday. I wonder why?

I won’t post them, but I think we can all remember some of the terms and phrases that this poster has used for women who disagree with them on this forum.

That isn’t evidence-based policy making.

Yes it is evidence based. Even if you hate the fact that gender identity does not offer up all women's sex segregated space up to those born males who say they identify as women.

Maybe those born males identifying as women could try identifying with women for a change. Rather than making it all about them and only them.

So that is an account of a difficulty on one occasion where a known safeguarding risk was not actioned. And with that you want to alter a policy for every trans person’s n in every NHS hospital?

What defines a 'trans person' Robin?

Who falls into this category of 'trans'? Is it everyone who says they are, or are there other criteria? if so, what?

I would be caused harm if I refused to remain in hospital, or be admitted in the first place, because there was a male on the ward. I'd just be listed as a 'bigot' though.

Are women harmed when men barge in demanding evidence of harm?

Yes, yes we are. We do not have to evidence it. The fact that men do it, is harm enough. The fact that men even ask the question is harm enough. What sort of men even do that?

Wow, just wow. “…an account of a difficulty on one occasion where a known safeguarding risk was not actioned.” Can you even hear yourself? MEN are the known safeguarding risks. Keeping wards single sex is the very definition of actioning a known safeguarding risk.

As for the idea that the existing evidence of harm is not enough evidence of harm, bring me more harmed women…well, that’s just grim.

However, given the review of your book, perhaps I shouldn't be surprised. Your style and attention to detail don't seem to be distinctive of only your social media activity.

If only #NoDebate were not still some people's preferred mode of engagement we might have had some useful conversations about safeguarding and the NHS. Instead, so much has been done by stealth, and we have people like Mark Bradley assuring his allies that listening to women is a pro forma activity.

N+1. Every time.

Never heard of Chestertons fence?

Before you change something, ask yourself why it is there.

Why do we have single sex wards?

Privacy, dignity, safety for both women and men, but primarily for women.

What effect does changing from “single sex” to “single gender” have?

Everything becomes by default mixed sex.

It’s really very simple. Anyone with moral fibre could grasp it, respect it, and then campaign to have trans people accommodated with dignity in the accommodation that belongs to their sex- side bays, single occupancy rooms etc. So everyone is catered for.

But no. Some people won’t do that.

Because they don’t think women matter.

Is this evidence based? Genuinely asking. I'm curious what the evidence behind this could possibly be.

Robin, you appear to be a barrister and yet you seem to be unaware of the single sex exemptions in the Equality Act 2010.

I've taken a screenshot.

*How little regard

So that is an account of a difficulty on one occasion where a known safeguarding risk was not actioned. And with that you want to alter a policy for every trans person’s n in every NHS hospital?

You might want to be careful about knee-jerk policy making based on single instances.

That isn’t evidence-based policy making.

RobinMoiraWhite

A simple question for you: Do you think that all wards should be mixed? If not, why not?

But the book is equally disappointing in almost all matters of substance.

Thanks for the reminder embarassing. I think this sentence does a great deal of work, no?

Baroness Nicholson is doing fabulous work protecting women and children.

Single sex safeguarding is to protect females because males are unequivocally a risk to females. We have no way of knowing which males, so in order to keep females safe, safeguarding has to be based on the premise that males are a risk. Therefore we have single sex spaces. Whatever someone identifies as must never change that.