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Emma Nicholson in the Times

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Igneococcus · 15/03/2022 22:06

On single sex wards:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f6f6c84a-a499-11ec-b05a-8d7b276f1397?shareToken=1c8f4c99404e08ae113db7787fb3686e

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StandUpStraight · 17/03/2022 15:45

“Your anecdote is not evidence, bring me more raped women.”

If I were a certain barrister I might be contacting MN and asking them to delete some of my posts at this point.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 17/03/2022 15:45

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4507394-To-think-most-women-would-prefer-to-be-on-a-single-sex-ward-as-hospital-in-patients?watched=1&msgid=115927043#115927043

97% prefer single-sex wards so far, just over 100 votes in under an hour. Not scientific, but rather far from a 'clear minority'.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 17/03/2022 15:44

Robin

Have a look at how the answers change when it is made clear the trans gender person has not undergone reassignment surgery

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/07/16/where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights

Women do not want to share single sex spaces with penises.

334bu · 17/03/2022 15:40

**Surely this question was missed by mistake and will be answered soon"

Grin
Terfydactyl · 17/03/2022 15:31

Some women - a clear minority

Allegedly theres a minority of transwomen, which minority matter more?

ResisterRex · 17/03/2022 15:17

@334bu

So Robin do you believe that women have no right to have single sex spaces when they are vulnerable?
Surely this question was missed by mistake and will be answered soon.
DomesticatedZombie · 17/03/2022 15:09

Here, I will let you in on a wee sisterly secret: Women don't like being raped.

We even tend to get quite angry when our 'lived experience' is dismissed, belittled or sneered at.

DomesticatedZombie · 17/03/2022 15:08

And what is most shocking to most women reading this thread, I would guess, is that you don't even see the problem with what you've said, Robin.

DomesticatedZombie · 17/03/2022 15:08

Because that is your response to being told a woman was raped - 'I asked for evidence, not anecdote'.

This is 'Be Kind' in action.

DomesticatedZombie · 17/03/2022 15:06

@RobinMoiraWhite

I asked for evidence, not anecdote.

And I’m entirely happy to stand by my comments and work record.

I see, so you don't care about the woman who was raped and then told it couldn't have happened. Because to you women speaking is mere 'anecdote'.

Telling.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 17/03/2022 15:06

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 17/03/2022 15:06

[quote partystress]@RobinMoiraWhite. Where is your evidence for ‘a clear minority’?

Not outdated or bogus surveys where it is not made clear that trans woman does not necessarily mean post-surgery, but current data from a statistically sound sample of women who were asked how they feel about sharing currently single-sex spaces with people with penises.[/quote]
Yes, I'd like to see this evidence too.

I've just looked through Hansard and found it extremely interesting. Many thanks for the link. Would that I could be as coherent as many of the noble Lords and Ladies at any time, never mind the early hours of the morning! I'd forgotten that Ruth Hunt is now in the House of Lords.

DomesticatedZombie · 17/03/2022 15:05

'a clear minority'

Doesn't matter. Nobody else can say 'oh, it's only a few women who would be traumatised, fuck them'.

Women say no; the answer is no.

partystress · 17/03/2022 14:59

@RobinMoiraWhite. Where is your evidence for ‘a clear minority’?

Not outdated or bogus surveys where it is not made clear that trans woman does not necessarily mean post-surgery, but current data from a statistically sound sample of women who were asked how they feel about sharing currently single-sex spaces with people with penises.

SamphiretheStickerist · 17/03/2022 14:58

@RobinMoiraWhite

I asked for evidence, not anecdote.

And I’m entirely happy to stand by my comments and work record.

Dear god!

The oft repeated refrain... give me evidence, no not that evidence, other evidence. No, not that evidence either!

You can stand on or bay whatever you want. Many of us have seen how you interpret the EA2010, have tried to discuss it with you here. Your own bias makes your view excruciatingly narrow and personalised.

We are not extensions of RMW World. We are women who are saying NO!!!

EricCartmansMagicalUnderpants · 17/03/2022 14:47

I asked for evidence, not anecdote.

Evidence has clearly been provided in this thread. Did you not bother to read it properly because it doesn't suit your narrative?

EricCartmansMagicalUnderpants · 17/03/2022 14:45

Some women - a clear minority

It's not a minority of women at all. There's not many women who would be happy to share space with men where they are undressing or vulnerable. Why on earth would they? Confused Not even those who identify as (but certainly not with) women. It's not about segregating by gender identity. It's about segregating by biological sex. For the dignity, privacy and safeguarding of women and children. Smile

RobinMoiraWhite · 17/03/2022 14:44

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littlbrowndog · 17/03/2022 14:42

A women was raped in hospital. The hospital said there was no man there for a year. From the baroness

Emma Nicholson in the Times
Artichokeleaves · 17/03/2022 14:36

Yes. Some women can only access single sex spaces. And will be excluded if this is denied to them because male people feel that they are so much more important.

You're starting to get the problem here.

RobinMoiraWhite · 17/03/2022 14:35

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334bu · 17/03/2022 14:29

So Robin do you believe that women have no right to have single sex spaces when they are vulnerable?

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 17/03/2022 14:21

I do like Emma Nicholson. Very intelligent, unlike some.

RobinMoiraWhite · 17/03/2022 14:17

@SamphiretheStickerist

And with that you want to alter a policy for every trans person’s n in every NHS hospital?

No. We actually want the NHS to apply the law, their own policies as they actually are. Which is what Baroness Nicholson is saying.

Did you watch the debate? Lord Etherton set the law out quite clearly.
Norma27 · 17/03/2022 12:44

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